Back to Alexandria
Rick and the gang make it back safely and things seem to be back to normal: Carol’s smoking on the porch (and NOT in front of babies), Morgan’s finishing his prison cell project, and Rosita is leaving…SPENCER’S BEDSIDE?? Anyway, Carol smokes with Daryl and asks about his run-in with the Saviors in the burnt forest (he regrets saving them). He laments that he should have killed them when he had the chance.
Rosita and…Spencer?
As Jay-Z said, on to the next one. Rosita did NOT delay in finding her new man Spencer. Just a couple minutes into the episode and she’s already leaving his bed. MEANWHILE, Denise, Rosita, and Daryl leave for a supply run to a nearby apothecary. Daryl and Denise go into the woods, into the woods to grandmother’s house and home before dark (sorry). Rosita decides to take the faster route on the tracks while Abraham and Eugene set out on their own supply run. Eugene boasts to Abraham he’s changed, adapted, and become a survivor. Literally, he repeats it to himself.
Eugene’s Ammo Shop
Eugene brings Abraham to an abandoned factory that he says will help them manufacture ammunition (like in the comics)! A walker covered in dried molten metal approaches and Eugene calls dibs on killing it. His machete clangs off of its metal head (whoops) and after some wrestling Abraham is forced to take it out himself. They bicker over whether Eugene could have handled it or not and he reaches the conclusion Abe has “lost his usefulness to (him).” Exit Abraham.
Damn it, Denise
Daryl and Rosita loot the pharmacy while Denise stumbles upon a room that has “HUSH” written on the walls. She gets spooked by a sink of child’s blood (as you would) and weeps outside. The three of them venture back to the truck on the tracks where Denise stops at a car with a walker and cooler inside. Rosita and Daryl warn her the cooler isn’t worth the trouble but she tries to retrieve it anyway. Similar to Eugene, she has trouble killing it but eventually puts a machete in its head.
Daryl scolds her for her actions but she counters that she too, can take chances. She explains that she wants to be brave and help keep Rosita company as she gets over Abe. SUDDENLY, DENISE IS STRUCK BY AN ARROW THROUGH HER EYE (mid-conversation) AND FALLS TO THE GROUND DEAD. Enter The Saviors.
The Return of Dwight
Daryl and Rosita become immediately surrounded by the Saviors and told to lower their weapons. Among them is Dwight, who now sports a half-burned face (like the comics) and is holding Eugene hostage. Daryl tells him he should have killed him when he had the chance and Dwight reveals he meant to shoot him, not Denise.
Eugene spots Abraham hiding behind oil drums while Dwight tells Rosita they’re going to lead him and The Saviors to Alexandria. Eugene rats out Abraham’s location to Dwight and then bites the living hell out of his crotch. Abraham flanks the Saviors from behind and guns them down. Daryl slits one’s throat, grabs his gun, and shoots some others. Rosita saves Abraham as walkers begin showing up. Eugene gets shot in the crossfire and Dwight and the remaining Saviors fall back. Daryl recovers his crossbow and almost shoots Dwight before Rosita commands him to help with Eugene. This is the second time he’s let Dwight get away.
Aftermath
Back in Alexandria Eugene wakes up in the infirmary and makes up with Abraham. Afterwards, Abraham shows up at Sasha’s place and essentially tells her he wants to be with her. Daryl and Carol bury Denise and she tells him he was right. Later, Carol leaves a farewell note to Tobin saying her group will always be threatened and she can no longer kill for them. “I’m going like I always should have. Don’t come after me, please,” she concludes.
Questions!
SO, what did you think of the episode? How do you feel about them substituting Abraham’s death in the comics with Denise’s death in the show? Where the hell did Carol go? And what one-liner college did Abraham get a PhD from?? Let us know in the comments!
I’m just glad Abraham didn’t get the bolt to the eye!
Mmmm, I truly believe Carol is going to die soon, she’s no longer the brave and assassin woman she was. Remember the termites, you’re the butcher or the cattle…
Great episode. Last week, wow! Didn’t think we’d loose anyone this week after all the mayhem last week.
Carol and Daryl digging the grave…could this be symbolism that they’ll both die soon…?
literally dozens of people have digged graves in this show, so that would be a really cheap symbolism. What could actually mean is rather something associated with their relationship, they both changed, carol is leaving, they are putting anything left out of their relationship into the ground.
Yes! Their time has passed, when you no longer contribute, you’ve essentially given up!
SPOILER ALERT… I’m here to f*cking rant.
I’m angry, this episode was awesome except for Denise’s death. That really pissed me off. Why do you have to keep building characters up to just kill them. This really felt like Andrea’s death in the sense that it was just for shock value. I hate the fact that they had to dedicate this entire episode to Denise just to make sure that you would care if she died. This was really disappointing for a Walking Dead character death. She was basically used just to save Carl and then the writers were like… okay bye Denise. I loved this episode based on everything but that scene.
Also, I thought Carol was going to commit the Comic Prison suicide scene. That letter was strange and I really thought she was going to kill herself like she did in the comics.
So would you rather Abraham die like the comics? Movie Denise was annoying. Good riddance to her. Itbwas a good switch. Micheal Cudlitz deserves to be on the show much longer.
Brutal sir… brutal.
Ok?’Somebody got to DIE ! It’s TWD ! People going to always BITCH and COMPLAIN about who should DIE and who should LIVE ! Just like the STUPID ASS IF Daryl,Glenn,or Carol FANS keep saying if they DIE WE RIOT,TWD isn’t for everyone,maybe not for you either!
I suppose you haven’t read the comics?
You’re a grouchy one aren’t you. I actually love The Walking Dead and probably on a much deeper level than most of the people on this site, but I can still tell when they are writing for shock value. I’m not like you, I don’t praise the ground Robert Kirkman walks on. Not all of the story lines in this show (and comic) are good. We all see things differently. Like how everyone bitched about the Glenn fakeout… I thought that was great, but building up characters like Beth and Denise to just kill them immediately is simply bad writing. Similar to how the producer at the end of season 3 admitted to killing off Andrea for shock value only. Also, don’t compare me to those DIE WE RIOT fans. I may love a certain character/ characters (Just look at my Username and Profile Image) and I would probably lose my shit if they were to die, but in no way would I stop watching the show or reading the comics.
I’m with you on this, but I don’t think they kill characters generally for shock values. Andrea and Dale I agree with you, but I think Beth and Denise were killed for Daryl’s character growth. Denise’s death might have made Daryl think twice before saving some people, but still, her death wasn’t my piece of cake. That’s just the way I see all of it…
If you’re right about furthering Daryl’s character, then that makes me a little irritated. Don’t get me wrong, I love Daryl just as much as the die hard fans, but I don’t like the idea of cutting off the rest of the cast just to strength/ weaken the “Fan Favorite.”
Unfortunately, I feel Denise, as she pertains to the show, was poorly written anyways. Her character lacked depth. That being said, it was obvious she was going to wind up getting killed somehow, as the writing and script for her character this past episode was even worse than usual. She brought nothing to the show. My opinion.
Would you like some fries with all that salt sir?
Exactly, be the defender.hold on to what is important, if you just want to be victimized and survive.” Haircuts and showers ” ARE worth fighting for!
Seems like Carol is gonna get her brains smashed in with a baseball bat. Would be a fitting end to her intense journey.
Or she leaves and starts the Whisperer clan, herself being the next threat that she cryptically mentions
Wow! Carol as Alpha? Would truly be amazing !!
Yeah,she’ll be the Governor and let everyone else do the dirty work
Yeah,she’ll be the Governor and let everyone else do the dirty work,not another overlord ugh
The writers,show runner etc..are really fuckng up the writing of Carol’s character. There is practically zero development w/her change. Shame on you for ripping off the character and the devoted audience. Get your shit together
She probably should have gone with Tara and told her she loved her. Tsk..
RIP Denise though, I liked her.
Since her daughter died, Carol has been the strong one of the group. She has done the things that no one else would or could do. I think it is a huge mistake to have her start doubting herself now. She has always been willing to kill to protect the group. I think they’re trying to say that Morgan has gotten into her head with his philosophy of “all life is precious” but obviously in this post-apocalyptic world, all life is not precious. Some people are vicious killers and if you don’t kill them when you have the chance, they will go on killing and every person they kill after you let them go is on you. Anyway, I think it is a mistake to have Carol leave. They can find some other way to create drama around her. And Tobin – pfffft!! Who is he? Just more zombie fodder. He doesn’t deserve Carol. If she and Daryl don’t get together, then she should stay alone, or maybe find another little girl to take care of to take the place of her daughter. Although that didn’t go so well last time. 🙁
She had to. It is merely a plot device to get Rick and gang out on the road and caught by Negan. Nothing more.
Actually, just thinking about it, Denise dying is the only thing that will get Glenn and Maggie on the road. Carol is what gets Darryl out there and reckless.
Hey! Tobin has been a really cool guy. And besides, Carol has always treated Daryl with a motherly embrace. For them to get together would just be awkward.
Motherly ? What TWD you been watching? Carol been trying to get in Daryl pants since her husband became walker bait,but Daryl DON’T want Carol like that.Carol is CRAZY and now everyone running after her is going to end in disaster! I Can’t wait until Negan ARRIVES! But I’m dreading whose going to get Lucilled!
Yeah, the very same Walking Dead. You’re pushing your own ships if you think Carol has been *anything* but motherly to Daryl. She cares about him. Doesn’t mean she’s been trying to get into his pants and her interest in Tobin is proof to the contrary. Sorry.
How isn’t this motherly?
No,no,no when they were at the farm she was just as useless as Laurie!
Oh yeah and she flipped out on Rick before they found the prison!
What. The. Actual. Fuck. The Spoiling Dead fucks got me this time, but I couldn’t actually believe it. That’s such a extreme right turn! Imagine *spoilers the comics and possibly the show* All Out War without Denise! WHAT THE FUCK?!
End of episode was alpha origin story? Not that would be a TV twist
That would be so awesome!
It was sad to see Denise go, but they ALL will die eventually anyway. I loved that they did her in dramatically, the Abraham Death. I have to say I was chewing on my fingernails the whole first part of the episode just waiting for the Abraham Arrow moment. So I was completely caught off guard when Denise got it instead.
I think Carol will, in some way, be reunited with the group ( if she even leaves at all). I can’t imagine she would be so shaken by the recent events that she would leave for good. Maybe we will see another dramatic Terminus-type reunion of Carol and the rest of the group. But then again, she could easily end up like comic Holly did…
I don’t understand why everyone is so upset Denise is gone. Of all the characters currently in the show, I found her to be the most annoying. I was so thankful that she got that arrow, because honestly, in this episode alone she was at her single most annoying point in the series. Completely different character than the comic book version. At least Hill Top has a competent Doctor.
As for Abraham, I’m glad he’s staying alive for now. When he was in that rainy alleyway with Eugene, both my wife and I (no pun intended) were cringing. What a relief. This was one of the better trades.
Now… the real question is did they do this to make us think Glenn would be spared and someone else will get the bat? Is this all just one big mind screw? Or does Glenn’s skull have Lucille’s name written on it.
My guess is Negan appears at the end of the finale and we are left in shock with who he bashes in.
God I hope he bashes the skull in and that ends the episode. Not like the mid season “mom” ending. I want people going into the break hating Negan. Not afraid of who’s going to die. Plus all the actors have to be quiet for six months trying to keep it secret. Much bigger chance of it getting spoiled for us.
It will end right there. Or shortly after. We might get through the “Im going to kill you” :No you aren’t” Rick/Negan speech, but not much else. Negan will probably pack his gear up and the camera will fade on Rick and gang sobbing around Glenn or whoever else.
Who knows… but people that don’t read the comics and keep up here are in for a shock. As my one friend said at the end of the raid on the saviors compound “Negans worse than the governor, huh?” thinking that guy was Negan. All I said was “Wait.”
YOU ARE SO RIGHT! I’m SCARED! 🙂
*SPOILERS FROM COMICS AND MAYBE FUTURE EPISODES BELOW!*
I’m not mad, but it doesn’t make sense at all killing Denise. I love the idea of them not killing the characters that died from the comic. I really like that the characters who die in the comics may experience the AOW arc. Abraham was a big loss on the gunfights for sure and maybe seeing Glenn fight would be awesome, but killing Denise doesn’t make sense. I get it, she was annoying, but she was one of the reasons succeded in the war. I could actually see they fixing her and making her less annoying. Just look at Father Gabriel. Everybody hated him, however, with only 3 or 4 episodes, he became an awesome fuck! Hell, Tara would be a great victim for Dwight. It would piss some people off and wouldn’t affect the following events so much.
Also, I’m hoping, as much as I like him, that Daryl meets Lucille. That would make soooooo many people pissed, and that’s exactly what people should feel about Negan. Or Morgan, because that would maybe inspire Rick to actually spare Negan and then use the jail that he built. But still, Daryl would be such a good introduction for Negan.
Daryl will not survive this season. There’s a reason Norman Reedus will have his own reality cross country biking show later this year. There’s is no way he could manage both. And Dwight will get the crossbow back again I’m sure.
Don’t know what’s going to happen, but he’s already managing the 2nd show. He’s already filmed several/most of the episodes for the bike travel show. And they have couple months before TWD starts filming.
I’m wondering now if the writers are gonna wuss-out on glenns death. It’s like the writers et al have come too close with the actors, & now cant tell the story properly
Has anyone noticed every single one of Rick’s group that showed up at Alexandria’s doorstep at the end of last season are still alive. There’s a reason the core actors were sick over the season finale script. I think the body count of core characters will be shocking come April 3rd………
Ah yes,you are so right! We will lose a lot Daryl,Glenn and possibly Sasha. This will upset Rick, force Maggie to the Hilltop,and derail Abraham’s love and sanity. Good times
Ugh, rant time.
I gotta say, I’m getting a little sick of major plot points being changed. I don’t mind the deviations in the story’s down time, and some of them have been great (Terminus, The Claimers)… but Abraham absolutely needed to die last night. Reading through the comics, that was an absolute pivotal moment. Rick’s right hand man, once again, is killed on the edge of major conflict. The Dwight/Eugene/Rick stand-off at the gates of Alexandria was so much more climactic than last night. It flat out revealed that Negan’s group knows where Rick is, and that gets Alexandria scared. Substituting Denise in made the entire exchange so much less impactful. Abraham gets an arrow through the face; The Saviors aren’t fucking around. Denise is now just another Season 6 Alexandria red shirt. I really liked Dwight’s portrayal though. I think the actor is great, and it’s so exciting to see him on screen!
The writers and show-runners need to remember that they aren’t killing Michael Cudlitz, but they’re killing Abraham, and that is necessary to the story. I feel like the attachment to the actors interferes with the story. Norman Reedus is a fan favorite, and because of that, characters like Tyreese and Abraham never assume the role their comic counterparts inhibit because Daryl is in that slot.
Glenn absolutely needs to go in the finale, just like Abraham needed to go last night. I love both of those characters, but loving them also means respecting the source material, and giving their stories their appropriate farewells. Those moments are only as impact as they are BECAUSE they’re happening to the characters we love.
*Spoilers for Game of Thrones* Imagine if Game of Thrones beheaded a character like Hodor at the end of Season 1 instead of N** S****? Would we still be talking about a scene like that. If Negan bashed in the skull of some unnamed character, would issue 100 be as notorious as it is? If some useless comic counterpart took the arrow to the eye instead of Abraham, would we even care? People die every other issue… Why is that death special? Because it’s a character we love.
If they aren’t going to respect the major turning points of the series, and these major character moments, then what is the point of even telling this story on screen? For a show that boasts about “nobody being safe,” there sure are a lot of characters that are pretty fucking safe…
I agree with you on Denise, but Daryl has to meet his maker. I would really like to see Glenn and Abraham on AOW and see how they could have helped with the war in the comic.
But see, you answered your own question in a way…. Abraham in the show isn’t Ricks’ right hand man. Daryl is. Losing Abraham will not affect him the way losing Daryl would. I have long said Daryl’s time is due. And honestly, I really think he is going to meet Lucille and not Glenn. It would have more impact, no pun intended.
I think the switch is good, it got rid of Denise, who was now insignificant after saving Carl. Her death will now be the catalyst for Glenn and Maggie to want to leave Alexandria to go to the Hilltop, which gets them on the road for a certain scene to go down. It also keeps Abraham around, a character who deserved a better death in the comics. I’m pretty sure I’ve read an interview w/Kirkman where he talked about having more plans for Abraham during AOW, but decided to kill him off in a spur of the moment type thing. Now he gets to explore that forgotten character arch in the show. The show will never match the comic beat for beat, and that’s fine, as long as they keep the story moving in the same direction, which these things accomplished pretty well.
The point is the changes aren’t bad if they drive the story forward in the right direction, which I think the Denise death does well, and it also lets us explore more of Abraham, which I’m excited about too. The changes that I have a problem with are the ones that don’t seem to be for a reason that furthers the story advancement, and actually hurts it, like the Glenn death fake out. I get why they did it, it did bring us closer to Maggie and put us as viewers more in the same mind state as her at that time wondering if he was alive or dead, but it also made Glenn seem invincible, which frustrates me still. As much as I’d enjoy the outrage of a Daryl/Lucuille season finale, I think it has to be Glenn too. They need to correct the Glenn oversight and prove bad things can happen to the main cast again. The more I think about it, the more I don’t want them to remix the bat scene at all. But because that’s what I want to happen, it probably won’t.
Thought This was going to be a lame episode. But, old hiccup (Denise’s death) and Daryl growling “I should have killed you” were awesome. I normally don’t comment on the walkers but the metal covered one was real cool. Recalled the bloater walker in Hershel’s well way back when. Also, cool.
Always Look for Little things in The Walking Dead , Its a fact that we don’t have to forget , because if you look for them , you will find many interesting things. The Fallowing Easter Eggs were found by two of the TWDFans.net Members. “The Z Word” and “PooM”
Im sure you remember the Boozes Rosita Found in the road. Dennise was not interested in them but Daryl drank on of them in the scene that Dennise was burried. The booze named “Danville Bridge”. Its a Twin Bridge in Indiana State and a Railway passed on top of it and its the most Scary place in the area. In the most hunted places charts , this place is the third Hunted place
so the bridge is a twin bridge , and that’s point to Dennise and her twin brother. she felt Daryl was his own brother and now this brother is drinking this booze when he is burring Dennise .u though thats a good point? so just read more …
so now , why they say its a hunted place? bridge was built by an Irish man and when he was building it , he fell in the river blow the bridge and no one never found his corpse. one of the reasons was because the manager of the railway didn’t allow anybody to look for the corpse. some people say that they hear hammering sound when they are passing from the bridge. its like somebody is working on the finished bridge. so we have to find an Irish man in the series. Daryl is not Irish but his destiny may be like our Irish man.
there is another Story about this bridge. its about a woman that was killed on the railway and usually people can hear morning and crying sounds. and many people agree that. And now i think you got the point. They killed Dennise on the railway.
and also there is another story. This story is not really reliable like other stories but its what people say.its about a mother and her kid , that both killed in the Halloween night and their spirit cant leave there. so remember that woman and a kid in the drugstore. that drugstore was near railway so it comes from this story. and her plaster is a symbol of stocking in a place like the real mother and kid ‘s spirit.
there is another story about this bridge that says , you can see a light like an arrow that pass from you. and people admit they see the arrow when they are passing with the car from under the bridge. you see what happened? Daryl’s Crossbow Arrow passed from the railway and hit Denisse.
think about the second story one more time , Daryl’s destiny can be like the Irish man’s destiny. maybe they don’t use this story for the series and for Daryl but we have to keep an eye on it!
The Walking Dead series is not really a horror series but according to this fact , we can say The Walking Dead respect other horror movies and stories.
if you look for little things in series , you can be more interested in it and maybe you can enjoy it more than usual.