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Episode 415 Post-Mortem with Robert Kirkman

March 23, 2014
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Welcome back to our weekly post-mortem with TWD-creator Robert Kirkman. This week we discuss racial diversity, comedy, Telltale crossover possibilities, and happy endings!

TheWalkingDead.com: This episode we saw a lot more of the dynamic between Abraham, Rosita and Eugene—why did you decide to stay so faithful to the comics for these characters in particular? Is this showrunner Scott Gimple’s influence?

Robert Kirkman: Yeah, Scott Gimple is definitely a guy who is a fan of the comic and he’s certainly a fan of those characters. But also, I think that the storyline with Eugene, Rosita and Abraham and their mission to get to Washington, D.C. is a big part of what we’re going to be doing with the show in the foreseeable future. If you know the comics, you may have somewhat of a rough idea as to where things might possibly be headed, and we’re keeping that storyline fairly faithful when it comes to those characters. And I think keeping them on model, so to speak, is an important part of what we’re doing moving forward.

TWD: Eugene’s shaping up to be a funny character. We chortled when he awkwardly gives Tara that sendoff. Did Josh McDermitt’s comedic background play at all into the way you shaped Eugene? Or did you always look at Eugene as more of a comedic character?

RK: Scott and I, and all of the writers in the writers’ room, definitely look at Eugene as a character where there is certainly some room to bring a little bit of levity to a situation. But I will say that Josh McDermitt’s audition was possibly the funniest thing I’ve ever seen. I hope that they put it on a DVD or something because it was awesome. There was also a fun bit of writing where—I think it was Seth and Scott—they wrote a scene at Eugene’s high school reunion because we wanted to play with the character and see what the actor could do, so it wasn’t a scene from the show. It was really just a great scene and Josh killed it. So when you know that you can really lean on an actor for certain kinds of things, it really inspires you, when you’re writing scripts, to do that kind of stuff, and his background is certainly a big part of that.

TWD: Is there any concern there with getting too comedic?

RK: No, I think that we’ve got a good balance. Certainly, if you were to get too comedic with things, there’s always a chance that you could make the darker elements of the show seems less important or less real, but I think there’s room for that and that we’re towing that line pretty closely.

TWD: The Walking Dead has a gay woman, three black main characters, a Latina main character, an Asian main character, an interracial couple, a ginger, and a mullet. Is The Walking Dead the most ethnically diverse show on television? And was that intentional at all?

RK: I mean, I feel like we’re not doing enough, so… it’s definitely intentional. We haven’t had a Muslim character, that’s certainly something that has been on my mind. I think it’s important to finally make a concerted effort to show the diversity of the American population and I especially feel a responsibility, because the show is so popular and watched, to use it as an opportunity to get the diverse characters you don’t normally see on television. I feel like it would be wrong for us not to use that as an opportunity. And everyone on the show is invested in telling great stories and adapting the comic book and honoring what we do in the comic and certainly some of that comes from the comic, but it’s really just a matter of telling interesting stories, and those characters and their backgrounds certainly add interesting elements to the stories in the show. I hope we’ll continue that trend moving forward.

TWD: The cave in this episode was gnarly. I keep waiting for you guys to run out of cool ways to come up with zombies—

RK: I don’t think we’re going to run out of interesting ways for people to die, so I think we’re good on that front.

TWD: Do you remember who came up with that sedimentary glob of zombies stuck in dirt?

RK: I know that Scott Gimple definitely had a very developed roadmap for the back half of this season, so I would wager that he had a big hand in coming up with that sequence. Then Seth and Angela would have definitely flesh it out, so it would have been a collaboration between the three of them. I can say definitely that I had nothing to do with that, so if you like it, don’t give me any credit, thank you very much.

TWD: The group of survivors that Daryl joins have their own honor code and set of rules that are reminiscent of the Saviors in the comics. Where do you usually start when building a new community—with their leader? Or their group dynamic? Or where they’re from originally?

RK: It begins with how do people survive in this world, what are the different ways, and that help you come up with different rules and different methods and things that can turn into a group. A leader can emerge from that or you can start with a leader, but a lot of different things go into the different groups that we encounter and there isn’t one set way of coming up with things.

TWD: Something we haven’t discussed yet is the possibility of some crossover with the Telltale Games. Will we ever see anyone from that universe appear in the show?

RK: I couldn’t rule it out entirely, but there are currently no plans. It’s not impossible. There could be characters from the game that make their way into the show, but like I said, no plans as of yet.

TWD: Can you tell us anything about Terminus? Is it good news, or bad news?

RK: Terminus could be what it is on face value or it could be hiding something darker. We do try to change things up, so it’s entirely within the realm of possibility that Terminus is all lemonade and sunshine and recliners and pajamas. So we’ll see, maybe this season has a happy ending.

A hearty laugh was enjoyed by both parties after that last one. See you guys next week for the finale!

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  1. krallidor says:
    9 years ago

    bring on the cannibals @terminus

    Reply
  2. joe says:
    9 years ago

    I have this horrible feeling Mary was cooking Beth…

    Reply
    • Rance Hudak says:
      9 years ago

      Holy crap! I bet your right!

      Reply
    • Ricardo Colombo says:
      9 years ago

      If it is, it’s only a piece of her. They wouldn’t let a major character have an off screen death.

      Reply
      • Stuart Ormston says:
        9 years ago

        agreed, my feeling is that its not Beth but some other poor soul that came to termins

        Reply
    • Jonathon Moreau says:
      9 years ago

      I had the same thought my friend.

      “Have a plate of your sister, Maggie.”

      Reply
    • Daniel Boyer says:
      9 years ago

      yeah, that was my first thought…

      but also on my mind, it was almost like she was expecting them to arrive…

      gate open, absolutely no resistance…no walkers in sight…hmm…ever feel like you are being watched?

      Reply
      • Matt Stevens says:
        9 years ago

        I thought this. She wasn’t even bothered they had guns in hand.

        Reply
    • Jen says:
      9 years ago

      Maybe a side of Tyresse or Carol? (I won’t say Judith because I can’t handle that)

      Reply
  3. Mike Knoblock says:
    9 years ago

    Totally cannibals!! Excited!

    Reply
  4. Rance Hudak says:
    9 years ago

    I think they are Cannibals! It’s going to be epic!

    Reply
    • Jason Thomas says:
      9 years ago

      Yes it is

      Reply
  5. Dani says:
    9 years ago

    I have a feeling I will be sending Kirkman some flowers to look at. :/
    It’s going to be a long wait until season 5

    Reply
  6. Pablo Martínez Dutra says:
    9 years ago

    The very first thing we see inside Terminus it’s a woman cooking… c’mon. If this are not the cannibals (The Hunters or the ones from the Telltale Games) I don’t know who else could they be…

    Reply
    • Lena Wooldridge says:
      9 years ago

      dude i mean it’s so obvious maybe they’ll do something different…

      Reply
      • Daniel Boyer says:
        9 years ago

        yeah, I agree it is too obvious…can’t be true then, right?

        Reply
      • Pablo Martínez Dutra says:
        9 years ago

        I though the same! But some things are difficult to twist. The story from the comics is very respected this season since Gimple took command.

        Reply
    • Jen says:
      9 years ago

      Maybe the big twist is what’s on the plate… like Beth?

      Reply
  7. Guest says:
    9 years ago

    everyone’s thinking that they’re going to be cannibals…. i almost hope they won’t be. maybe the writers can do something unexpected.. i mean every spoiler site/person who reads spoilers is saying this…

    Reply
    • marco says:
      9 years ago

      I think a new villain (other than governor, negan) a very intelligent and manipulative villain will appear, he uses emotions of the characters and turn them against the others to create a big deadly fight betwen them, he lies, and while the survivors are fighting, he steals their FOOD 😮 O_____o

      Reply
  8. Lena Wooldridge says:
    9 years ago

    everyone’s thinking that they’re going to be cannibals…. i almost hope they won’t be. maybe the writers can do something unexpected.. i mean every spoiler site/person who reads spoilers is saying this…

    Reply
    • marco says:
      9 years ago

      in fact, it’s NEGAN, look at this first pic

      Reply
  9. Bastet says:
    9 years ago

    Eugene, although I know he’s destined to become even more useful, is one of those characters like Lori… I’ll be glad to see him go!!

    Reply
    • Stuart Ormston says:
      9 years ago

      yeah am just not sure of the comic element that he bring to the show, I know kirkman talks about it above, but am just not sure how it sits with me at the moment. time will tell.

      Reply
    • SlipS says:
      9 years ago

      Josh Mcdermmit is awesome!!! Eugene is growing on me as a possible new favorite character, cant wait till he drops that walkie…

      Reply
      • Bastet says:
        9 years ago

        I agree with you on almost everything but I took a detour on this one from ya! lol!

        Reply
        • SlipS says:
          9 years ago

          😛

          Reply
  10. kasie says:
    9 years ago

    What actress plays mary from terminus? Can’t seem to find her anywhere. I think there will be a huge twist and this place may actually be good. That would be a huge surprise…

    Reply
    • sarah m says:
      9 years ago

      Her name is Denise Crosby. Trekkies know her as Tasha Yar

      Reply
  11. Matt Stevens says:
    9 years ago

    Eugene Porter world’s worst wingman. I get the feeling that pre zombie world, Eugene spent 12 hours a day in his mum’s basement playing world of war craft and watching internet porn.

    Reply
  12. Jason Thomas says:
    9 years ago

    Kirkman always gives a good interview.

    Reply
    • Stuart Ormston says:
      9 years ago

      he has a knack of say loads with out saying much at all, you can always bet on in being interesting though

      Reply
  13. marco says:
    9 years ago

    NEGAN on Episode 16 Preview !!

    Reply
    • marco says:
      9 years ago

      Great choice for the casting though

      Reply
    • Zimovski says:
      9 years ago

      Hold on.. Are you serious? Where is that picture from?

      Reply
      • marco says:
        9 years ago

        Yeah it’s fake :p , but that would be so perfect if they chose this actor to plau Nehlgan :p

        Reply
      • marco says:
        9 years ago

        This totally looks like comic Negan

        Reply
      • Jen says:
        9 years ago

        It’s Hank from Breaking Bad!! First season, at the Birthday party!

        Reply
        • Zimovski says:
          9 years ago

          Hahahah, that’s what I get for not watching the breaking bad. But it does look a lot like Negan.

          Reply
    • Pillzor says:
      9 years ago

      HOLY SHIT he’s perfect!
      *I am aware that this definitely is fake but Dean Norris would make a great Negan

      Reply
  14. Danielle Fair says:
    9 years ago

    My first thought for sure was it was human!!! I hadn’t thought that it was Beth but that does make sense. I read that this years finale was going to leave us with a cliff hanger.

    Reply
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