Hey all! It’s show night! Let’s get right into it!
This week starts off exactly where we left it last week: Tyreese has found the burned remains of Karen and David. He’s understandably upset. When Daryl tries to calm him down, Tyreese slams him against the fence. Then it’s Rick’s turn to intervene only he gets a knuckle sandwich for his troubles. This leads to him knocking Tyreese out with a flurry of punches. Rick gets a busted up hand and Tyreese gets a pretty messed up face. This echoes a pretty bad brawl Tyreese and Rick have in the comic, so it’s good to see on the screen.
Following this we see more and more people getting sick, including Glenn, Sasha, and Caleb (Dr. S). The council has decided to separate the children from everyone else to keep them safe. Carl, Beth, and Lil Ass Kicker are among them.
Daryl, Michonne, Bob, and Tyreese (after convincing from Sasha) head off to a veterinary clinic 50 miles away that may not have been ransacked like the hospitals and clinics. On the way, they’re distracted by a mysterious radio signal, a woman’s voice talking about sanctuary. This distracts Daryl from the road, leading to the car getting stuck on a body of walkers, being surrounded by a super herd of walkers, and Tyreese going to TOWN with his hammer. Tyreese’s epic zombie killing therapy will be familiar to comic readers.
The group leaves Tyreese behind, completely surrounded. It’s not long before Tyreese breaks through the bushes and reunites with them, exhausted, covered in blood, but not bitten. The group high-tails it through the forest.
Back at the prison, Hershel realizes he can maybe make a tea that will help alleviate the symptoms and prolong the lives of the sick but he’ll have to forage outside the fences for ingredients. Carl sees him leaving the prison and refuses to let him go alone. While in the woods we get a glimpse of Carl’s growing maturity.
After getting what he needs, Hershel breaks quarantine and selflessly goes into the sick block to help everyone.
Not to be totally left out, Rick investigates the burn site, looking for clues. He finds a hand print on the door jam. While he’s inside Carol is outside trying to clear the water pump. Rick returns to the yard to find her quickly being surrounded. With Rick’s help, Carol is able to get back inside the fences safely. Once there Rick asks Carol, “Did you kill Karen and David?” Carol simply says “yes” and walks away.
How sweet was that tree-trapped moss-covered walker half-way through the episode? They showed a tease of that at New York Comic Con. Great idea.
Who burned the bodies?
Is Daryl getting through to Michonne about seeking out the Governor?
What are we going to do about Carol?
WHO THE HELL IS BROADCASTING A RADIO SIGNAL ABOUT A SANCTUARY?!
To win a shirt, I want to hear what the #1 lesson we learned about zombie survival was this week. Educate! Survive! Upvote comments you like!
Last week’s winner? Frank Visone’s breakdown of Michonne’s psyche. Nice job, Frank!
This week’s winner: Dani, who mentions two things I like: 1) Keep your eyes on the road. A few people said this but I think Dani said it first. I first came across this concept in The Stand. You never know when you’ll come across an abandoned vehicle in the middle of the road and in the apocalypse, a broken bone can be fatal. 2) What IS up with that herd? What attracted them there…
Tyreese wiith the hammer was so epic
I think the governor has something to do with the radio voice and it didn’t sound like a female voice at all unless those four are going nuts and hereing things like rick Did. anyways it was an epic episode
Never thought carol was the one who burnt the bodies
#1 lesson about Zombie survival: If you see a herd…it is time to get the hell out of Dodge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a great episode!!! So much homage to the comic book! Especially the development of Tyreese. I feel like the bad ass T is about to come out. I just hope he doesn’t loose Sasha in the process.
The scene with Glenn and Hershel was one of the best of the season. It was like Hershel felt Glenn’s survival was more important for Maggie than his own, and he would stop at nothing to help him. Along with Hershel being one of the most altruistic characters there is. The dude is the man.
Someone please get Glenn some meds!!!
Carol burned those bodies, and honestly, don’t you guys think her reasoning is quite sane?
Carol just keep going rogue. She should stop sneaking around, and speak up more.
I kinda thought the Michonne/Darryl chat was hilarious. It was kinda like Michonne was his girlfriend, and he was bringing up stuff she did NOT want to discuss in front of others. It was like she was just wanted to say, “Darryl, just shut up and we will discuss this in private!!” Not quite sure Darryl was getting through before the broadcast…
The broadcast has me SO excited!!!! Who could this be?????????
Yeah dude I agree with you, Carol was rather reasonable, as much as others disagree, she did the right thing. She didn’t know they would get antibiotics plus they were the only 2 sick fellas at the moment.
I have been thinking…could the Sanctuary be like where Father Gabriel was hiding out by himself? It was a church. I have just been wracking my brain, and can’t figure it out!
Or…are they literally hearing a signal from the Saviors hideout (The Sanctuary)? If so, are they going to introduce Negan???? That would be CRAZY.
A little unrealistic that Tyreese, even as angry as he was, could kill that many lamebrains at once that had surrounded him, without getting bit.
You’d be surprised at what a person is capable of when they’re in a rage and lose control. Sheer strength, speed, and anger obviously had his back, and he wasn’t that far behind the others so he must have found an opening pretty quickly and hammered his way through.
Definitely the adrenaline response – fight or flight! I think this can also be tied to what we’ve learned about Zombie survival, too. When faced with danger to self or others the body will produce adrenaline. This response by the body improves muscle performance. Although in Tyreese’s case, he almost gave up – didn’t he? He ended up having to fight in order to flight. They all are in a constant state of fight or flight, though – which is actually harmful to the body and makes them more susceptible to illness – hence flu bug?
I still don’t think Carol did it. I think she said yes just because she got angry that Rick could even suggest that. I just may be in denial.
I don’t think she’s in it alone.
Same. She def got help from someonem or she helped someone
Good thoughts! I had thought all along that Rick did it. However, after Carol’s admission, and after Rick looking at the evidence at the scene (especially when he took his own hand and placed it near the bloody print on the door) I am getting the feeling that it was Carl and that Carol helped or vice-versa. Maybe Carol said she did it to protect Carl because maybe Carl was acting alone but Carol stumbled upon him in the middle of it all? When Rick checked out the bloody print on the door, he was kneeling a little bit. Since Carl is shorter, perhaps it was his print? Those are just a few thoughts I had…just talking out loud here.. 🙂
I really hadn’t thought about it being Carl, but all your points make a lot of sense; especially the handprint. It definitely was low on the door. And the bond Carol and Carl, with Rick’s question if there was anything she wouldn’t do for the kids, are right on. I just figured Carol did it. Do you think there is any way the young girl could have done it? The one that Carol is protecting that is sick. The same one that may be feeding rats. I feel like something is up with that kid.
I don’t think Carl or the girl would be strong enough to move both bodies..
What would be new and something I have never seen in any Zombie movie,is a zombie who when alive gets bit and the walker leaves his false teeth in the victim.
#1 lesson: The only way to survive a herd of walkers is to be Tyreese.
Its the water killing every one. Survival 101 a filter is not enough you need to boil every drop. Try watching some survival shows.
I agree. They have put a lot of emphasis on the water shortage in this episode which would explain why no one else will become sick (unless in direct contact with others) ie Hershel.
I might be missing something obvious, but what did Rick find that gave him enough confidence that Carol killed Karen and David? He looked at what seemed to be a bloody hand print on the door leading to where the bodies were burned, but how did he know it was hers? Was the hand print small, perhaps indicating it was a woman?
Also, did Carol kill Karen and David after they turned? If so, I think MAYBE Tyrese could forgive Carol for what she did, but with the big deal they are making of Karen and David’s deaths, I’m starting to believe Carol went a little rogue or perhaps too preventive and decided to do away with those two in hopes of containing the illness (which obviously proved to be fruitless)
I think he only suspected it may be her, based on her attitude and actions (i.e. teaching the kids about weapons & that fit she had after speaking with Tyreese). Carol is becoming hardcore…she’s all about survival now, emotions on the backburner. Period (going in to what Michonne is coming out of). Rick probably figured that others wouldn’t be as warm to the idea of disposing of the sick for the sake of the group. The hand print must have been smaller, since he measured it against his own hand. In this group, that would only point towards a woman or child. Then, if he used the process of elimination itself, it would be hard to not think about Carol.
He’s probably in denial to even consider that his son may be helping…or maybe Carol is covering for Carl (my other suspicion).
As for whether or not Karen & David’s deaths occured before or after turning, who knows? We’ll probably find out soon. Carol could’ve just done what she thought needed to be done to eliminate a future threat or she could’ve been waiting somewhere nearby, watching, ready to take them out right before they turn, just like with Lizzie & Mika’s dad.
Cover your mouth when you cough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean come on!!!
We learn that when we are kids!!!!!!!
and yet, I see this constantly IRL. I got sick so often in college because I had a roomate one year that would just cough into the air as hard as possible.
I don’t know how it was in the men’s room at college, but if you knew what happened in the ladies restroom!!! Absolutely disgusting.
I think the #1 lesson we’ve learned about zombie survival this week comes straight from Hershel:
“You step outside, you risk your life. You take a drink of water, you risk your life. You don’t have a choice; the only thing you choose is what you’re risking it for.”
It doesn’t get any better than that!
Hershel really is the man! I love his mantra about everyone having their job.
Such a crazy show! Loved it!
The #1 lesson learned for survival? Keep your head. Obviously it pays to be smart when you’re fighting walkers, that’s a given. But when you’re trying to survive with other people, you can’t let your emotions get the best of you or bad things will happen.
Tyreese was overwhelmed with grief and attacked people who were trying to help him. Rick responded and nearly killed Tyreese because he was so lost in his own world of hurt and misery that he couldn’t hold back. When you keep your head, you can do what needs to be done. Carol fixing the water filter is a good example. While it may have been stupid for her to go out there alone, when she was threatened by walkers she kept her head, got the filter fixed, and made it back (albeit with Rick’s help). By quelling her emotions, she was able to step up and do what needed to be done, despite the imminent danger. Killing and burning Karen and David would undoubtedly be a difficult decision for anyone to make, but she did it because she felt it was crucial for the survival of the rest of the group. Can you blame Tyreese for his rage? No.
Can you blame Rick for his? Probably not. These people were thrust into a situation none of them could have imagined, and with no playbook to follow. As we have seen time and time again, when decisions are made from an emotional standpoint, bad things tend to happen, which in turn create new messes to be cleaned up. Where is Shane when you need him????
LOVED Shane!! Here’s to (hoping) Carl becoming the new Shane!
#1 lesson of survival: MAKE QUICK DECISIONS
Come on, getting out of a perfectly good car to run… I would’ve stayed in the car and kept going back and forth until I become free because there’s a horde of zombies ahead and maybe they are days away from the prison, who knows but really in a crisis situations people must make quick decisions like the one made by Darryl.
Love Carol coming into her own these last few episodes. She has proven that a women can be both caring and smart as hell in preparing for the worst at all times. I thought the message was clear this week that if you ate able to turn off your emotions that the zombies are not people anymore and are killed violently all the time any other threat to the camps survival needs to be treated as the same. Hershal is such a bad ass and I think he knows it is time to live like there is no tomorrow to ensure the survivaal of hos family. The big survival lesson I got was take calculated risks always now
#1 lesson we learned : Snow Chains are a year round tool after the apocalypse. Whether it be mud or blood, nothing grips like chains.
#1 Lesson? Don’t forget to grab some hand sanitizer when you are out on a supply run.
#1 lesson about Zombie survival.. the herd always has the right of way and maybe watch the road.
We see the Yates Power plant in the background, are they attracted to it ? Why else would there be so many freaking zombies?
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I was totally correct when I stated that it was Carol who burned the bodies . Carol is having a mental breakdown just like Rick did she needs to clear her mind and maybe stay away from the council till she is thinking more clearly.
Why are they risking their lives searching for antibiotics when these medications are not effective against the flu virus? Maybe they will find some Tamiflu? Maybe they want antibiotics to treat other infections? Keep drinking the elderberry tea.
#1 lesson: if you punch something and sprain your hand, don’t plan on typing for a few days.
#1 Lesson: Never dig a grave while angry or you will end up like Tyreese and never get anywhere!
Did you see him going to town on that soil? It looked like he wasn’t removing hardly any! Poor guy, felt sorry for him.
#1 lesson — When driving at high speeds through Zombieland, keep your eyes on the road and both hands on the steering wheel AT ALL TIMES. Let your navigator tune the radio!
#1 lesson: If you get the flu, burn those mother f**ker!
#1 Lesson we learned about zombie survival this week: Build moving contraptions out of old rusty junk to keep zombies occupied when you have to sneak out to do stuff and things.
#1 lesson: Sometimes you have to take lives in order to save lives.(Or attempt to save lives for that matter).
#1 LESSON OF ZOMBIE SURVIVAL IS TO BE STEALTH,SMART AND QUICK. U ALWAYS NEED TO BE A STEP AHEAD.
This was a real good episode. I felt bad for Hershel when he got sneezed on which in turn means he is now infected and could possibly be one of the main characters that could die. Tyrese went nuts on Rick without good reason. We understand that he was hurt but damn. Maggie losing Glen its just so sad. And as far as Carol burning the body’s its completely legit. This can keep the infestation down. Michonne I dont think will ever give up on trying to give up on finding the governor. She hunting him with the intent of murdering him in the very spot she finds him. Daryl just seems to always hold himself together. He seems one of the most clear minded people in the camp. Thats probably why he is so many peoples favorite character.
I think the governor is behind the radio broadcast….he may be among another community biding his time hoping someone from the prison finds the source of the broadcast
Talking dead took my kill of the week 🙁 I gave it to tyreese
EDIT: LENGTH WARNING. THIS MOTHA’S LONG. APOLOGIES.
Another excellent recap, Brian! I just wanted to share a prediction I have while commenting on the episode myself. First, HOLY. CRAP. THE RICK AND TYREESE BRAWL. Now, I personally enjoyed it more in the comic (for those of you that may want to see what it was like in the comic, Issue 23) because the fight took up a pretty good portion of the issue it was in and of course they can’t take up the entire episode to have Rick and Tyreese fighting like they did in the comic, ending the fight with Rick falling over the railing of an upper-level of the cellblock. However, the fight in the show was very well done and an excellent way to kick-off the episode and I flipped out when I saw the fight unfold on TV, it’s something I’ve been wanting to see for a long time as a reader of the comic. Welcome to The Walking Dead.. the TV show, comic Tyreese. Also, having Rick’s hand be taped up was a really good touch too, also reminiscent of the comics. Rick’s hand being taped up was more of a reminder to his pummeling of Thomas in Issue 17 (still, so very awesome to see in the show). But man.. I think that’s my favorite opening sequence of the entire Walking Dead series so far. So. Great.
Now, moving on. I don’t think Glenn’s going to die. I’m honestly more worried for Hershel than I am for Glenn. Why? I don’t think we’re gonna lose Glenn. I feel that he has a lot more potential as a character and that he still has a lot to prove because a lot of people see Rick and Daryl as the core leaders of the group but I think given enough time, Glenn could be somebody else that could potentially lead the group. I don’t think Glenn’s gonna be going anywhere anytime soon. Hershel though, when Dr. S coughed all that blood on his face and bandana, Hershel wiped his face with said bandana after it’d been spit-up on and being face-to-face with Dr. S in the state he was in, it’s not good. So I’m more worried for Hershel than I am for Glenn or even Lizzie.
When I first saw the SDCC trailer and saw Daryl, Michonne, Tyreese and Bob being overrun by all those walkers, it’s been the second-most anticipated thing I’d wanted to see from the trailer (the first being the Big Spot raid.. I’m weird like that) and then when I saw Tyreese surrounded by all of the walkers in the trailer, I almost wet myself. I knew right then, when seeing the trailer, that it’d be the show-equivalent of Tyreese in the gym. Again, if anybody not familiar with the comics would wanna see what everyone’s talking about when they reference this “gym scene” then it’d be Issues 15/16. But I really wanted to see that happen in the show too and I wasn’t left disappointed. While he wasn’t locked in the prison gym with a bunch of walkers, he was literally trapped inside a circle of God only knows how many walkers with not even an arm’s length between he and any of the walkers. Trusty hammer in-hand, too. So seeing those things happen in Sunday’s episode was a dream come true. So many of the things I wanted to see from the comic transferred to the show, GOSH it was amazing. I can now check a few things of my wishlist of things I’d love to see happen in the show. I’m looking forward to seeing which episode is pretty identical to an issue from the comics (which was teased a while back, I don’t remember who was being interviewed when it was said though).
I can honestly say I didn’t expect Carol to be the one who burnt the bodies at all. I don’t really know how I’d react if I were Rick. Tyreese, too, poor guy. He went to Carol and asked her to look in after Sasha and to check in on her because he trusts her.. little does he know, she murdered and burned his lover.. I don’t really know what to think when it comes to that. Carol’s become such a valued member of the group and believe it or not, such an important member, that I’m not sure they can just.. toss her outside the prison gates and let her fend for herself, you know? She’s family, in a way and I don’t know if I’d have what it takes to do something like that but I also don’t think what she did should go unpunished. She may have had good intentions in doing what she did but I still don’t think there’s really any excuse for it. They have a quarantine zone, Karen and David would possibly still be alive.. but I mean, we also wouldn’t have gotten beastmode Tyreese in the episode either, so.. I dunno. It’s bittersweet.
All I know is I’m really looking forward to this Sunday’s episode because it looks like it’s gonna be another crazy ride. I’m loving Season 4 so far and although we’re only 3 episodes in, I think it’s the best season of the series so far. I really can’t wait to see what happens next and I can’t wait to see what other comic-type things are gonna be in the show. Now, for my.. what I think is a rather bold prediction:
The Governor attacks the prison in the mid-season finale. Why am I predicting that? I honestly don’t really have any “hardcore” or “concrete” evidence to support it. It’s just something I think would be really cool. I mean yeah we have Abraham, Rosita and Eugene showing up but the show has taught me that just because we have comic characters coming in doesn’t really mean anything aside from.. we’re getting some awesome new characters. Just because someone may show up at Point A or B in the comic doesn’t mean they’ll show up the same way in the show. But I mean, think about it.. they said Governor is going to show up when people least expect it and it’ll be in a BIG way. People thinking he’s feeding the walkers outside the prison fence? I don’t think so. This is Governor we’re talking about.. he’s gonna make an impact and what better way to make an impact than to get revenge on the prison by taking it out? With all of the walkers piling up on the fences and almost making the fences fall over, the prison is already weaker than it was when Governor attacked it the first time around and the walkers are just gonna add fuel to the fire.
I also think it’d be really cool to have this huge attack happen in the mid-season finale and then when the episode ends, everybody’s sitting there going “..they don’t have the prison anymore.. what’s gonna happen now? where are they gonna go?” and in all of the chaos, people are gonna die.. and if Gov’s attack on the prison is random, there’s going to be a lot of unprepared people which means a lot of people just trying to run for their lives, to get out of there alive so there might be some people getting lost or separated from others. I’d really like to see the mid-season finale end with the prison in shambles and the group forced to leave and find a new place to go and then when Season 4 returns in 2014, for them to eventually find the Alexandria Safe-Zone (you comic readers know what I’m talking about). Now, like I said.. this is just a prediction and I don’t really have any concrete evidence to support it, it’s just something I’d really love to see happen and it’s what I’m gonna predict to happen because we all know Governor isn’t gone, not yet.. and when he does decide to show his face again, it’s gonna be something talked about for a long time.. they wouldn’t just bring Governor back and have him, Martinez and Shumpert be running around as the Three Stooges. It’s gonna be something big.. what’s bigger than an attack on the prison that absolutely annihilates it? Right now, I can’t think of anything. So that’s my prediction, Governor attacks the prison big-time in the mid-season finale.
I agree 100% about Hershel (and Glenn). Really has me worried, too. And your prediction is very interesting. Do you think there is any way that the governor could lead the herd to the prison? A herd with the Governor behind it would be crazy. The cliffhanger you are talking about would be perfect…almost like a fellowship of the ring type saga. Really great stuff in your response!
I’ve thought about that, too. And I think there could very well be a way
for Governor to lead a herd to the prison. I know you guys already know
this but Merle did that when he went to attack Governor. Maybe not a
herd, but he used a vehicle as a distraction in order to take out some
of Governor’s men. Well, what if they learned from Merle and decided to do what he did? If you put yourself in Governor’s shoes and try to look at things from his demented perspective and the way he was at the end of Season 3, I do think he’d have someone or a few people, get in vehicles to lure biters to the prison to add to the bunch that’s already there and the end of Season 3 Governor was merciless… so he’d have no problem sacrificing a few people. Just in case something would happen and in luring more walkers to the prison, those people got stuck or walkers got a hold of them. And you can’t really attack a fortified prison unless you’re packing some pretty big artillery.. you’re not gonna bust through anything or shoot up anything with a few handguns and a.. Prius.. so I’d expect him to be packing some pretty heavy weaponry too, if he did attack the prison.
That’d be pretty cool. They also had that bread truck in Season 3 that crashed through the fence too.. so if he lured a herd of walkers to the prison and then on top of that, he rolls up with some actual combat-ready people and some big firepower with some big vehicles, it’d be sort of like a combination of both of his attacks on the prison from Season 3. That’d be really cool.. but yeah, I don’t think it’d be impossible for Governor to lead a herd to the prison. That’d make things even more intense.. imagine those people trying to flee.. running for cover and not only are they trying to dodge bullets but they also have to worry about being eaten and with walkers EVERYWHERE.. that’d be crazy. That’d make things even better. Man, I hope that happens. Being as detailed as we are with this prediction, there’s no way everything’s gonna happen word-for-word but if it did, that’d be killer. I like your brain.
I like the cliffhanger Governor thing but there’s still some part of me that would love to see the comic book capture of Michonne, for the OMG factor, of course.
Right? I see where you’re coming from. I wanted that to happen last season but it didn’t and well, nobody would really see it coming if Michonne got captured – I mean, she IS the one Governor wants most.. well, that was before Glenn and Maggie scared Woodbury off. As much as I’d love to see it though because of the absolute shock their infamous torture scenes had in the comic, I don’t think we’re going to.. which is kinda disappointing. I think Maggie and Glenn’s thing in Season 3 was the show-equivalent of the Glenn/Michonne capturing in the comic. But Michonne’s capture would be another perfect way to show just how sick, twisted and morbid Governor really is.
Great minds think alike! 🙂 And I remembered from the comic books when Rick and Abraham (and Carl) accidentally lead a herd back to the farm. Once the herd was after them, they couldn’t stop it. The lead them straight there.
And you are so right, it would be crazy intense.
The material from the comics that shows up on screen is AWESOME!! For anyone who hasn’t read or is not reading, you’re certainly missing out!! That’s coming from a novel loving non-comic book reader who picked up the comics because of the show.
This. This 100 times over. I was the same way, I tried getting into comics but I just couldn’t.. so then when Season 2 went on break, I was like “..I wonder how different the comics really are” so I got all of them and started to marathon reading all of them. I read about 20 issues a day and caught up pretty quickly. It took me about 5 days. But yeah, the comic and show are two completely different experiences, both very cool. The Walking Dead is the best comic going right now and has a bunch of awesome things that the show doesn’t and vice versa.
#1 lesson to survive zombie apocalypse: stay farrrrrrr away from Carol. Oh, and don’t punch Rick in the face…he doesn’t take to kindly to that.
Keep your eyes on the f…ing road!! Ain’t got no time for not paying attention.
#1 lesson learned: Allergies might be misdiagnosed as killer flu. Who knew WebMD survived the zombocalypse?
Allergies…after they’re suffering with obvious high fever, trembling, vomiting blood, and dying within a day of symptoms?
This show has really been losing me this season. I almost fell asleep in the middle this week it was so slow moving. The only thing that has rung my bell in the first 3 episodes was the scene at the end of this episode with the massive horde of walkers outside the prison.
If they don’t step up the mayhem a bit I’ll be quite disappointed. Don’t think the new showrunner is doing much to bring excitement to the series.
no lo he visto
#1 lesson: Make sure to get a Katana & a Bow Gun.
First I want to say that using different medias to create alternate worlds or to expand upon the story is brilliant. Humans have always wondered where their lives would go had they made different choices or if the circumstances had been different.
Zombie survival requires relationships and purposeful action. I think that what this episode showed. In the past we saw that isolation and not letting others in was more common. This episode everyone is caring for each other for example Doc, Hershel, Carl, Beth and even Tyresse – they are all stepping in for the greater good. Also, purposeful action. You can not run around wasting your bullets. You have to act with a mind that analyses the consequences of your actions. Weighing out the results and hoping that your calculations were accurate. We saw this when Hershel coached Carl – it is not neccessary to shoot the zombies by the tree or in the trap, because the risk is low. Carol also displayed this behavior throughout this episode with her clearing out the water pump, although silly to go on your own. Also, by Hershel going into the infected area to give the tea. He weighed out his options, they all have a job for the greater good. Although if Carol burned Karen and Dave, doing things for the greater good can negatively impact others, if she indeed did burn them. And relationships does factor into that. It may not be fair, but it always comes back to relationships. If Karen and Dave had better relationshuips with the fire starter than maybe they would not have been toast. Cost benefit analysis. Relationships. Just my thoughts.
This is brilliant. I really see where you are coming from with all this. It is the perfect game theory scenario. And losses far outweigh gains in every single scenario, so certain people will make risky decisions, while say elders are risk averse. Man…you really have me thinking this through from a whole new perspective. Awesome.
I love this show! It is so cool to process the episodes from all angles for sure. Like, I think that the group has evolved politically. At first it was the ricktatorship, now it is (to me) more utilitarian… the cost benefit thing. Interesting about utilitarianism is that even after you weigh the costs and make a decision, for the good of the whole, it always costs someone. It will be interesting who will be paying the price…. like Karen and Dave… or maybe Dr. S. —- oh I hope not one of my favs! But I don’t think one would be able to survive on thier own, it has to be this way… human survival is the objective at this point and survival of the species greatly outweighs any one person. So I do think that is what we have learned this episode, that you have to work together and you have to put the greater good first. Doesn’t matter if you go down you have to clear the water pump, you have to give the tea, and your actions have to be purposeful.
I am not into the whole virus story line bring on the assault
Ok, so I’m a little late this week to start the discussion, I’ve been extremely busy. I think that I will change my focus from the entire episode, and concentrate on one particular area, Carl and his gun. I find the transformation fascinating. In season 2, we see Carl, a boy, toying with a walker stuck in the mud. He leaves it be and in the end he regrets it because it cost Dale his life. In season 3, we see him barely even flinch when he guns down that kid from Woodbury. At the beginning of the season we see him wondering about his gun and get the understanding that Rick has been working with Carl on these things. In the second episode, Carl shoots a walker to save Michonne, but ultimately feels guilty, like he let his father down. This episode, Rick puts Carl in charge of the quarantined. Carl brings up the point that he might have to shoot his gun. When he and Hershal venture into the woods, he sees a walker ensnared in a bear trap and has the choice to shoot it or leave it. He leaves it as Hershal advises. We can see the struggle in him, the want to go ahead and ensure that everything is safe before a chance evens arrives. Yet he learned that not everything you feel threatened by is threatening. That you have to use your senses. That you can’t let fear and desperation lead your lives. He’s learned to respect the gun, and what it stands for.
# 1 lesson is to stay close to Carol
#1 lesson: WWTD (what would Tyreese do). even during a walker apocalypse you need to keep your eyes on the road.
am I the only one who would start locking their jail cell door after the other block got attacked..?? and I thought last season they locked the big door that led to all their cells..
That’s one thing I don’t quite get is why they don’t protect themselves behind those bars!
right! especially when they have lil asskicker in there will them!
right! especially when they have little ass-kicker in there with them!
I began to wonder why the names of the three consecutives episodes started with the letter “I” – Infected, Isolation, Indifference. Is there a clue somewhere? So I think that is the # 1 lesson the authors are trying to pass to the fans, if they are going to survive the apocalypse, Rick and the group cannot rely on the I-factor. The only way they will live is by taking care of each other, even if it means taking risks and making difficult choices. WE shall overcome.
the disease is EBOLA, there i said it first!!!! #wedowhatyoudontdomo
Ok, we’ll my feeble attempt earlier this week was due to lack of time, but now I have just a little more, so I’ll give it another shot. We learn that it is Carol who took care of Karen and David in hopes of containing the disease. She is trying to take on a more assertive role in the group. When Tyrese comes to her for help, while she is gathering water, she has an emotional break. She knows that she didn’t help the group like she intended, and now Rick isn’t helping to gather the water like she wanted, so she takes it upon herself to clean out the pump.
We also get Carl and his gun. We get the feeling that Carl has grown up, and learned to respect the gun. He tells Rick that he “might have to” shoot someone who turns. Rick believes he has taught Carl the value. In the woods with Hershal, he doesn’t fire on the lone walker in a bear trap. Why? Doesn’t he remember Dale? I’m sure he does, but he has also learned if he fired, more would head that way. There’s a time to use the gun, and a time to holster it. How his judgement will be when he comes face to face with a human threat is yet to be determined however, and that is something we need to see, and so owe should.
It just so happens, the radio broadcast we hear has got to be only one conclusion, at least in my mind, Abraham, Eugene, and Rosita. In the comics we know Eugene has a hand radio he claims is in contact with Washington, that he is a scientist and they have a safe zone, also know to some as a sanctuary.
I feel like Hershal shows the best way to survive this zombie apocalypse. With humanity and compassion. With those things, people are more likely to band together. The things that need to be driven out, the fear, the desperation, they will always be there. Rick discusses it with him in the beginning. They didn’t creep back in, they were always there. They will always be there. It was there before the walkers, it just wasn’t as prominent. But now the apocalypse has brought these traits to the front of society. The walkers, the sicknesses, the evil nature. You do what society and humans have done since the beginning, you evolve, you learn how to combat these things, the best way to hurdle the obstacle. You don’t stop at the obstacle and huddle in fear. Just like sickness, kindness is contagious. Hershal is willing to risk his we’ll being to protect the entire group. If everyone in the apocalypse even showed half the courage Hershal shows, society would be fine. Yes, there would be casualties, there always are, always have been. You don’t run when they start piling up, you start clearing them up and fixing the problem so it does not occur again.
Survive at any cost, just like war do whatever to live, or live dead!
Carol was loosing her humanity , good bye psycho
I don’t know what Hershel was picking to give to the people but it wasn’t elderberry. The leaves of the elderberry is poison. Only fully ripe berries are used. Do a little research on the web
At this point, the team is torn apart. Back at the prison, its
deadly! As for Carol, she has endurance and fortitude to get things
done. She is already immune to what’s going on, that she simply reacts
to the situation. With Darryl, the other hard-core stable and dependable
team member, Rick made a bad choice. It seems his “Sheriff” training
has clouded his judgement as times have changed and this is a zombie
Apocalypse and he needs every able body! As for Bob, I would shoot him
in both legs and feed him to the zombies. He mistrusted the team with
his alcohol weakness. Tyrone’s issue has gotten the better of him and he has lost his commitment to the team.
His mind is in between “all hope lost” and “a vendetta”. Either way, he
is teetering on the edge and that will cost him. Focus is the game