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Rick’s probably right. But we all know the major villain locked away usually doesn’t stay locked away forever…
It’s not Negan’s faith that felt wrong…it’s the road to it…i expected…something more…like a BOOM!, like…a heavier dilemma, and choices…that should had been taken in limited time…i just don’t know…i love The Walking Dead but this issue FOR ME was a let down…
Exaclty! I was thinking some massive thing was gonna happen or whatever.. :/ Was totally anti-climatic for me…
Now you know what being a woman is like.
Kirkmans really good at that, the HUGE build up then the “meh” ending… if I were a chick I’d hate to be his girlfriend!
If I was a guy, I wouldn’t be thinking about if I were a chick. Just saying.
Oh snap!
lol
There you are! Where ya been? Been missin’ you ’round these pahts!
Alreet bastet, been on hols with the family, but was also giving the site a wide birth until I had read #126 in case I stumbled on to any spoilers, been missing you all though, but am back.
What surprised me most about 126 was that Rick didn’t kill negan, I cant remember anyone predicting that both rick and negan would make it out of AOW alive. I’m not sure rick has made the right decision keeping him alive, as i am sure there will be some future havoc that negan will create, but i think it is right for everything that rick wants to do, if he wants to build the world new and make things better i think that not killing him is the right choice. What did you think?
Well, something didn’t make it out alive. RIP Rick’s right tibia. His right side has been through hell.
Lol sean, lets take a minute to remember ricks right side 🙁
Welcome back!
I think Rick needs to make up his mind…show Carl some structure! No doubt that Rick made the morally right decision but I highly doubt it was a good decision. I could see the fate of Negan being a group decision, but you can tell from Rick’s actions that this isn’t happening.
First thing that popped in my mind, though, is that Rick was gonna go Total Governor on Negan! Lol!!
Yeah rick can be a bit bipolar, I agree he made the morally correct choice, I just hope no one lives to regret his decision. And yeah its was rick choice, no mater what anyone else said to him, I though maggie might of put up a bigger fightt, a guess its a measure of how much they all look to rick still.
I didn’t expect anything much out of Maggie but Carl…. man, I wouldn’t be surprised if Carl snuck back in there in issue 127 and open up that slit in his throat!
I just thought with what happened with glenn Maggie would of been all out for revenge. I know she said she thought glenn would be ok with it, but I just thought she would kick right off.
She seemed…numb. She pales in comparison to Andrea. That makes me think what Andrea would have done if Negan would have killed Rick….then THAT makes me wonder what Rick would have done if Negan would have killed Carl.
Hmmm
Andrea is poop.
Yeah if Negan had hurt Carl at any point, am sure there might have been a different outcome for Negan.
I believe that, too…morals be damned.
I heard Negan has a album coming out .
What’s the name of the album?
He’s kind of tied up right now I’m sure he will leak the name soon enough
“I’m Bringing Sinatra Back” by Negan.
I heard he was in to a bit of Jazz.
I was picturing Frank Sinatra…
“Luck be a lady…tonight!”
lol
Maggie did take that well maybe she will kill him when nobody is paying attention.
Negan can’t be contained.
If you were comfortable with your gender identity you wouldn’t be so standoffish.
I’ll keep that in mind for the next time I’m commenting on a guy who’s coming out with a statement like, “If I were a chick…..”
……………….
That was an awesome analogy lol
SBAOTF (Spilling Beans All Over The Floor)!
I’d hate to be his girlfriend because he /thinks women want to have tons of unprotected vaginal sex during a fucking zombie apocalypse where just getting pregnant is a GIANT risk/. Also that he thinks women just wanna suck a buncha dicks for nothing.
Choices taken in limited time… you don’t happen to play Telltale’s The Walking Dead, do you?
LOL i mean dude, like they’d have to think what to do or who to kill in all that mess of a war, since i tought Rick would start to feel symptoms because of the weapon covered in walker’s gore and stuff…but meh…u saw what happened. But yes, i played those games, and they rock haha
I agree with Rick, but I was expecting something differente for this issue. I don’t know, I tought that maybe something crazy was going to happen and that they would all die or whatever xD
I think Rick is right, but . . . it will come back to haunt him
Well, Negan is definitely gonna get out of “jail”.. The question is: Is he gonna try to kill Rick or is he gonna become an Ally?
I was so disappointed. At first I was depressed Rick was about to die, and then he’s fine. THEN you almost kill off the best villain ever created, but noooooooooooo. We’ll just leave that un-concluded. We don’t need gratification at all.
I admit I expected a little more, they’ve left All Out War on a big cliffhanger. I don’t want to use the word disappointed because I’m not, I just expected a different conclusion to such a huge storyline! However it’s set up any later revenge attack Negan may plot which is exciting if they choose to go down that route! It’s going to be interesting to see what happens from here! I think Carl may kill Negan though later on in the future.
Well, yeah.. Kirkman is awesome and he’s got something huge prepared for sure. I was just thinking that this would be it… :v
I’m anxious to find out what!
Sometimes the best choice isn’t always the right choice.
Rick is, almost certainly, right. In a world that completely lacks humanity, that is the most humane thing to do. Although I really think that Kirkman saw the real potential of Negan in the middle of the story-arc and kept him alive, and, to be honest, if he happened to die, I’d felt his death a little rushed. Yes, he’s been here longer than The Governor was, but I also think he’s not as two-dimensional as Brian, and Negan is actually a much more complex character. Anyway, I’d be happy if Negan were to die sooner or later, as that is his real destiny (for killing Glenn, that bastard!), but I don’t think his death needs to be now. Rick still has faith in humanity, but in a world filled with zombies, restoring humanity is hardly a priority.
I think the fact that, after all the hype and expecting something big to happen, that nothing major happening at the end was supposed to be the twist.
I think I am on the fence here. I know why a bunch of fans felt let down. But long term, I think this could be an investment. Could he break out ten issues from now? maybe. But I think it would be cooler if a long ways down the road he comes back into play like some badass wild card.
This whole story dragged on and on and on. And then had an insanely ho hum ending
If/When Negan makes his appearance on the show who should play him? I think Patrick Warburton would be an interesting choice as would Bruce Campbell, although he is a little old. Jon Hamm looks right but I doubt he’s going to do more television after Mad Men ends.
Tick or Ash? Hard choices. As much as I love Campbell,
I think Warburton totally fits the bill.
I see why Rick did what He did, It makes seance for the survivability of the group, But…. I would have Killed the bastard, I would have peeled His skin and soaked Him in Vinegar, washed that dipped him in salt and when I was finished with the bastard?? Burn his fukin Face, Then His Nuts , Pecker with Lucille doused in oil.. Then? Let Maggie decide how He went out. Too much??
This storyline was a very exciting one, because Negan was a very dynamic and unpredictable character (I always compare him to Tuco from Breaking Bad). All in all, it was an ending. Maybe I was expecting more losses or something, but I think this ending was okay. I’m excited to see Dwight lead the Saviors and I’m kind of glad Negan isn’t dead since he’s tied with Carl for my favorite character.
Yeah, I also thinks he is really similar to Tuco !! And Tuco’s cousins can be compared to the Governor !
ya i said earlier him and negan bonded somewhat when carl went to the sanctuary.So i see negan talking carl into doing somthing that his father/rest of the survivors told him not to
It made no sense, why would Rick or anyone in their right mind let a homicidal rapist psychopath live among his family and friends?!? Even if he is in jail, wtf? I think the Negan character got so big that Kirkman couldn’t kill off his cash cow. Sorry but you jumped the shark on this one. I’m done.
Negan was nit a rapist…he even killed a rapist when he had whats her face prisoner…
Yea, he was.
In his own mind(and for some unknown reason yours to) he probably wasent, but when you use your power to have girls sleep with you under threats of physical harm to their husband and emotional blackmail etc. yea that is rape dude.
ok thats a big negative pal he didnt threaten them or thier spouses with physical harm he gave them an easy way out that is usually always taken he only threatened them if they were unfaithful
Wow….
I must admit that i find this shocking….
So many people who cant see that this is rape.
Me too! I’m shocked. This is totally and completely rape. The women did not consent. They only seemingly did out of fear for their lives, to freakin’ eat, and out of fear for their husbands. When Dwight admits to Rick about how he wants Negan dead more than anyone because Negan has his wife, that goes to show that it’s rape. We need Olivia Benson from SVU to straighten this shit out for ya’ll…
You rape callers are acting like a bunch of pansies. Negan was not a rapist. In the Savior’s universe, it’s his way or the highway. All of his wives chose the easy route, and continuously chose being Negan’s whore/wife in exchange for food/shelter/safety,etc. Any one of them could leave at any time and go back to working. What’s working? Who knows? Cooking the meals, manning an outpost, cleaning the base. Whatever it is, it isn’t lounging around in lingerie all day, chatting with your cowives. These ladies turned their backs on their husbands in exchange for the easy life. Negan may be a monster for facilitating a place like that, but one thing he. is. not! is a mutherf**king rapist.
We don’t know what their other option was. And I, for one, never said those women were all innocent. But even whores can be victims of rape, given the situation. If it was me, he’d surely end up killing me because I wouldn’t go down like that! I just know I’d be a stronger woman! I guess then you could call it rape.
I agree. Rape is rape no matter who is raped, innocent, whore, man, woman, child. It is what it is. If you’re not consenting on your own free will, it’s rape. If you’re coerced to say yes because you fear your life or your quality of life… That. Is. Rape.
Exactly!
There is no discussion, Negan is a rapist, if people think otherwise they are wrong, plain and simple.
I agree. Whore’s can indeed be victim’s of rape. I feel very strongly against sexual violence of any kind and that’s why I’m replying defending that son-of-a-bitch character known as Negan. Monster, yes. Rapist, no.
Playing along, if it was you, I’m pretty sure you could refuse his initial advances, and then be left alone to sharpen some weapons or organize supplies on the point system like every other person in the Savior’s. True, you would be putting up with some vile, suggestive comments. But at least when you went to sleep at night you could feel safe, knowing if anyone tried sexual violence against you, Negan would gut them for their crime.
I’m thinking you need to re-read those sections of the story, because Negan’s “wive’s” aren’t chained to the bed, any one of them could stop being his “wife” at any instance, they would just have to go back on a point system and work for a living.
If Sherry or Amber tried to stop being Negan’s wife I don’t believe he would let them. When Amber snuck off with her real husband she wanted mercy for him, but she had no choice but to stay true to Negan or else something bad would happen to her too and the husband got iron faced anyways. It’s a really fucked up situation. I really don’t think he would’ve let his wives go back to their real husbands. He even said in the story, “You can be with so and so, but don’t cheat on me!” Amber and her real husband also wanted to flee The Sanctuary and went with Eugene and his friends toward the end of the story arc. You’re entitled to your opinion, of course, but I really think Negan can’t be defended! He’s just a fucked up son of a bitch. He has his philosophies based on his own benefit. Amber and Sherry and the other wives don’t consent to him because they want to, but because they think they have to in order to survive. That’s what’s crazy. Nobody stood up to Negan; you can see the struggle in Dwight. Rick’s the only one who stood up to him. I haven’t read all the letter hacks as I read the volumes before I got into issues towards the end. I’m interested to know what Kirkman thinks since he wrote it.
Negan was a manipulator and in some ways he is a rapist, ensuring that his so called wives were safe for sexual favors seems awe-fully manipulated. Taking half of peoples things by keeping people in fear and threatening people, the list goes on, Murder of Glenn, He is a monster on the level of Charles Manson! His control and fear enforced other psychopaths to do his bidding… Negan gave them a choice to go back to working a dangerous job of going out facing zombies… But it was also fear that drove them to stay with him instead….
I went back & I think what would really clarify things in this apocalyptic world would be an insight to what the alternatives would be for the women. If they would rather be with Negan instead of cleaning, cooking, laundry, etc. then yeah, there’s some serious pimping/whoring going on and shame on them! But, given Negan’s nature and the way we can see how he talks to the Saviors and treats them, I’m thinking these women wouldn’t up & leave their husbands & a few chores to go join other women in a whorish situation with the likes of Negan.
Maybe Dwight has an arc that sheds light on what was really happening there.
Still, I respect your opinion & I know where you’re coming from.
Well said. I agree. It’s the apocalypse. It doesn’t seem like pimping. It’s way worse. I hope we do learn more about the system and there’s more light shed on Dwight’s story.
They couldn’t go back once they chose to be Negan’s wife. Case in point Dwight’s iron face and the other girl Amber’s husband who got iron faced. Negan is a manipulator and hell yeah he totally raped these women. He gave them no choice. He just said that he did. If they needed to eat and have shelter for themselves and their real husbands, what other choice did these women have? If we knew more about this point system and what Negan was withholding from these people I think it would be much clearer, but seriously, I truly believe that scene when he was stopping that one asshole from raping Holly it was pure irony because he was saying they are not rapists or monsters when he most obviously is the King Monster. That’s how screwed up Negan is.That’s why that scene is one I’ll never forget because he doesn’t even realize what he is…He justifies his actions to come off as some Big Savior when all he’s doing is using these people for his own benefit. Dwight even mentions that it was his wife’s idea to “volunteer” so the conditions in the Sanctuary must have been really, really bad for her to feel like she had to volunteer. I would hope my husband would tell me HELL NO if I was that desperate to consider being Negan’s wife an option, but that’s how much power he had over these people and the amount of fear he held over their heads. Again, that’s why I’ve said in my other posts Negan legit freaked me out compared to the governor. The governor was crazy violent, especially with Michonne, but Negan really took the cake with violence, abuse, manipulation, and being a psychopath. He really scared me.
Yes she could leave Negan and just go back with her husband, but she didn’t because she had been accustomed to the life of “relative privilege”. But, if you get caught sleeping with one of his “wives” that’s when you get the hot iron. All it would have taken for Dwight to not get ironed was for his wife to stop being married to Negan and go back to Dwight after they were caught, and she refused to do it. Remember him calling his ex a “bitch”? That was why. Also, Dwight isn’t entitled to any food by his wife “marrying” Negan, he just assumed they would still be partners and she would make sure he ate, and at the least “marrying” Negan would make sure that she ate. That’s not rape, plain and simple. She made the choice, initially supported by Dwight, to try and make the best of a bad situation. If she didn’t want to “marry” the psychopathic dictator with all the power, I’m sure her and Dwight could have gotten job’s earning point’s in the kitchen or out on patrol or something.
I agree, the little hell Negan created is not okay, life under that form of society would have been a head-out-on-your-own type of situation for me, but that whole deal he’s got going on isn’t rape, in my opinion.
I agree with you. It’s not like anyone is saying negan is a nice guy. But from what we know you could compare his wives to prostitutes or trophy wives in the real world. We don’t really know enough about the situation to just flat out say he’s a rapist. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying what he did was all right, and he was clearly manipulating people with his power. If we knew what his recruitment process was like and what would have happened to Amber had she chose to go back to her husband, like would have just had to start working or would should have got her faced ironed, we’d have a better idea of what’s was really going on. I really to stress this enough that of course I don’t think that negan was a nice but I just think calling him a rapist groups him in with governor and although they were both horrible people, negan definitely was the lesser of two evils. Excuse my mistakes, I’m on a tablet and for reason it won’t let me go back and edit this post. This is what’s great about the walking dead. It’s gets people thinking and talking about very serious issues and I never thought a comic book would do that
Yes it was rape, it is not even a discussion…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-milvRhuWpw You clearly need to watch this.
According to the above video…
Rape is when someone uses their power, manipulation or force to intimidate, degrade or control another. Rape has been used as a weapon in war, in racial violence and in everyday life. Rape diminishes a person’s dignity and their human right’s to safety.
Okay, I get it according to this definition, rape is when you use force or threat of force to control someone. So a mugger robbing his victim at gun-point is raping that person? So if a college student is bullying someone, they are using threat of force to diminish a person’s dignity, they are raping the person they bully?
According to this broad definition of rape, then yes, Negan was indeed a rapist, not just to his “wive’s”, but to all the Savior’s. Really Negan was raping everyone in every settlement in the DC area. But was he executing sexual violence upon his “wive’s”, I would argue that he was not. I would implore you to research the definition of rape and remind everyone that the word “rape” shouldn’t be casually used or thrown around. Equating bullying with rape, as the above video purports to do weakens the power of the word when used to actually describe a rapist or an actual physical manifestation of sexual violence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape
He may not have been sexually violent in the literal sense that Dave was being to Holly, but he was indeed raping those women manipulating them into thinking being with him would make their lives easier and so that they could survive the apocalypse. To me that is way worse! Being abused and raped without even realizing it up front. It fucks up the victims’ minds. It’s rape in the physical and emotional sense that is long term. Either way it’s just bad. We who think he raped these women are not using the term lightly at all.
??? I listen. I hear what you are saying, and I am having trouble processing it. I see it, I mean being a Savior in general is not healthy. Being Negan’s kept woman in that small, closed society couldn’t have been good. I know you and I have a difference of opinion concerning whether Negan’s “wive’s” could leave him. (I think you are falsely reading between the lines) I think that’s wherein the difference of perception lies. In your interpretation of the world, Negan had manipulated these women in to thinking they had to become his concubine, otherwise they would probably starve to death or be eaten by zombies. Then he basically keeps them in line by disfiguring their previous lovers with hot irons. Where they don’t feel like they have a choice, even though they are being offered one. In this perception, Dwight would be working with the Survivor’s to shut down ‘Saddam’s rape rooms’ and free his wife from her abject slavery.
In my interpretation of the world, the Savior’s are basically a raider gang, their entire tribal policy involves raiding and extorting from local tribes. I’ve never seen a detailed breakdown of the point system the Savior’s use, but it’s basically their currency system. (I’m thinking back to an early glimpse of the Savior camp where two of them were talking about the mattresses, one of them wishing he had enough points saved up to procure one.) So it seems to me that Negan’s “wives” had chosen to be his concubine, in exchange for a life with material needs met without having to participate in the barter system. If one of them ever get’s caught sleeping with someone else, they could leave Negan’s harem and go be with that person, the catch being they are back on the point system. This would cause quite a lot of subdued rage when previous wives decide having their lover’s faces mutilated wasn’t worth leaving the life of “relative privilege” Negan’s harem represented. In my interpretation, Dwight is teaming up with the Survivor’s to destroy Negan’s system that destroyed his life.
But I’m pretty sure now that Dwight is running the Savior camp (assumed), he isn’t getting back together with her. I’m pretty sure he hate’s her and partially blames her for his face. So we’ll just have to wait and see how the story with Dwight and his ex-wife will progress.
Dwight did call Sherry a bitch & tell her to shut up. Then he turned away with a remorseful look. That small detail is what really has me curious on this couple’s particular story.
Yes, that’s right he did call her a bitch. I almost forgot because when he was telling Rick why he needed to end Negan he made it sound like he wanted his wife back, but maybe he just wants revenge and their relationship is toast already. Ohhh the drama!
I figure if Dwight’s a decent guy, he’s probably hated Negan from the jump & wanted Sherry to NOT go for this wifery bs, but suffer the point system instead. Maybe he even wished there was a way he could fight back, but kept it to himself & didn’t see an opportunity until they ran into the Survivors & realized Rick wasn’t willing to back down. Dwight could also be using his coldness towards Sherry as a defense mechanism so that neither one of them would be caught up in trying to get back together & he end up with an iron to the other side of his face.
I see what you’re saying… hmmm that’s definitely a possibility! The point system was not really fleshed out enough for any of us to really say which way it goes. I do remember that comment with the mattress. Also, the looks Dwight and Sherry exchanged seemed like disdain because of what happened to them, but you are right, there could be a more underlying story there that we the audience don’t know about quite yet. We’re led to believe that Negan is a tyrant and created this point system and gave privileges to the wives that “chose” to be with him. I still think he manipulated those women and that he’s abusing them (rape); however you bring up a good point on how did it begin? We don’t know Dwight and Sherry’s story and there could be more there than meets the eye. I still think Negan is a rapist, but a very interesting perspective you’ve shared. I really hope that Kirkman explains Dwight’s story in more detail! Maybe Sherry did have a part in it? Maybe her and Dwight had some falling out and now regret what has happened between the two of them? Good shit. Now I’m even more excited to know what the next issue is going to be about. 😉
” I would argue that he was not”
Cute, you think there is an argument, there is not, you are wrong, simple as that.
Dave, I didn’t feel the need to reply to you because your posts were so self-righteous. You weren’t part of the conversation so much as you were a troll, or a teenager who is unable to discuss such a nuanced and complex issue.
If you’ll notice from the entirety of my posts, the reason of my defense of that monster Negan was because I am entirely opposed to sexual violence and in my opinion, people describing the Negan harem as rape diluted the powerful essence of the word.
If the act of bullying someone, or the act of mugging someone is considered a rape of their dignity or a rape of their finances, where does that leave an actual rape victim, one who was coerced or forced to engage in unwanted sexual activity with another? Your video got it wrong as my simple Wikipedia search proved. Additionally, your comment’s show little capacity of the human ability to listen, integrate that information in to the conversation, and then respond based on the new, advanced discussion.
I’ve already explained my position enough that the rational actors have already reached a consensus that we’ll have to wait and see how Dwight’s relationship with Sherry will play out for us to have a greater understanding of what kind of society the Savior’s were operating. In the meantime, I suggest you reread the posts on here, especially my comparison of the two divergent theory’s on the Negan harem. After that, reread the Walking Dead parts dealing with the Saviors. Pay close attention to when Dwight shares his situation with Rick, and the scene when a new wife’s ex is branded.
This will be my last post addressing this issue on this thread.
Oh you are adoarbale, it is rape and that is all there is to.
It still is cute that you try so hard to sound smart tho.
This is a dead thread. Just wait and see, Dave.
Dead as the inside of your head, you fucking idiot.
yea, we are pansies, because rape is cool.
I’m not sure what Negan did constitutes as rape. He didn’t force anyone to do anything. If anything I’d compare it to prostitution. There seemed to be plenty people in Negan’s camp who weren’t sleeping with him that were somehow providing for themselves. Why couldn’t any of his “wives” and their husbands find ways to provide for themselves too?
Scumbag? Absolutely. Rapist? I’m not so sure about that.
Are you saying Negan just has a strong pimp hand ?
He’s Mack Daddy but getting all the proceeds.
Hecky nah !!
Seriously I don’t want in this conversation I was just trying to lighten the mood.
You in here now, buddy! Bring on the joy!
I have to say this is the first thread on this site that has made me feel uncomfortable.
That’s understandable. The opinions expressed from this cat are only those pertaining to me & do not indicate that any other person should share them. I wanna keep my points (not Negan’s). 😉
Yes, it’s uncomfortable, but valid! It’s one of the reasons I like TWD because it’s raw and gritty like that. It’s REAL.
What do you think was making me feel uncomfortable?
The subject of rape?
No that wasn’t it maybe one day I will speak on it but it was peoples views on the subject not the subject itself.
You should explain! I’d like to know. I was disturbed by some ppl’s view too…
On the subject my first question is what are we talking about morals, zombie apocalypse or law ?
Well it’s really about the morals and law within a zombie apocalypse, that’s why it’s so fucked up! The whole “you kill, you die” mentality Rick put out there was something he changed his view on eventually. That’s why TWD is so good. It makes you question what is moral and lawful in a world where civilization seems to be dead. Will Rick bring back humanity and civilization now that Negan is in jail? We shall see… There’s always going to be a negative force fighting against Rick someway or another. I’m excited to see what Kirkman is up to next!
Thanks for answering my questions. I like your answer here.
What if Rick has flipped…instead of going Full Shane on Negan, he decides to go Total Governor & torture the hell out of Negan? Then Carl is somehow forced to be the one to put him down.
Left some out the definition of the word ? Is Negan a rapist and can he be a rapist in one scenario and not the other ? Can you answer these questions for me please ?
In my opinion, he’s a rapist. He may not be an outwardly sexually violent rapist like Dave was and in his mind he doesn’t think he is therefore he made that absurd rule that rape isn’t allowed… There are layers here and he doesn’t see that. I think he believes in his own way of thinking since he’s creating his own set of law and morality according to HIM. Either way, he’s a rapist to me. His characterization is fascinating because he thinks he’s not; because of this, again I say, Negan feature please! What happened to him to get him this way? When did he become such a tyrant and why? I bet something crazy fucked up happened to his friends/family for him to get this way. Since he’s alive, hopefully we’ll find out soon!
I respect you and your opinion there is no wrong answer in my book it’s all love .
Need more like you!
Oh snap!! That’s sweet of you
I’m bringing back the phrase ” da bomb ”
Damn, that went out?
Unfortunately
I liked the Snoop Dogg expressions. That needs to come back, fa shizzle!
I’m bringing back the black mullet.
Na, man, give us the Kid-n-Play thing! High Top!
My hair is curly I tried back in the day
I’m gonna start wearing just one glove …. Do you know where I can find a mesh tank top ?
Yeahhhhh….. haha. 😉
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Thanks these fits are dope I bet nobody has these in my hood yet I mean nobody.
I don’t think I would have any problems in the zombie apocalypse situation if I had one of these fits for aerodynamics plus nobody I mean nobody would mess with you.
xD xD xD What kinda str8 guy asks that???? WOWIE!
The kind of straight guy that wears sunglasses in the bedroom while tea bagging your mother .
Wait…. you just posted this to me:
“If you were comfortable with your gender identity you wouldn’t be so standoffish.”
You’re Clementine’s age, aren’t you? This side of the this website is not for you, honey! Rated M
Awwww hecky nahhh that was da bomb !!!
Hey, I thought you said “da bomb” was out! Make up your mind, will ya? I’m trying to keep up!
Here here! 🙂
After Carl was found in the Sanctuary gunning down his men and Negan took him on a tour of the factory, do you recall the scene with Amber I think her name was before he iron faced her husband? Dwight’s wife kept telling Negan to forgive her or to leave her alone. The husband got caught with her so Negan iron faced him. Negan says that his wives chose to be with him by their own choice, but ultimately they were coerced by so-called incentives of having more points for food or a “better way of living,” but in exchange they could only be with Negan, not to mention they were dressed like prostitutes publicly too! He said he wouldn’t stand for his wives cheating on him. He even fucked with her saying, “Sure go be with so and so, but you can’t cheat on me!” His character shows in the way he spoke to her: condescending and dismissive. Putting words in her mouth about what she’s supposed to be doing and how to be loyal to him. When she said, “I’m sorry. I love you Negan,” it gave me CHILLS! He’s a master abuser! When he explains to Carl that he could do whatever he wanted and there is no society to make him follow any rules so he decided to make his own rules and have more than one wife because he’s always wanted to fuck many women is another indicator that he thinks he’s invincible. The whole thing cries RAPE. Rape is not just physical abuse, it is also emotional and verbal as well as down right manipulation. If you ever watched SVU, there are domestic rape cases where husbands don’t think they are raping the woman (wife) because their wives HAVE to have sex with them because of the title of marriage, which is completely wrong! Even if you’re married to someone you can’t force them to have sex with you. You can still say no. Of course, we could get into religion and cultural explanations of what is culturally acceptable, etc. but that’s just another whole can of worms. Bottom line is to me Negan is just a psychopath and he justifies his actions, hence him naming his group the Saviors. He thinks he’s helping people by killing the undead for them even if he is taking half of their supplies. He doesn’t see that what he’s doing is for his own benefit or that he is the cause of halting civilization until he has that confrontation with Rick at the end. The All Out War story arc and Negan’s characterization would be a great study for a Women’s Studies or Psychology course; another reason why we need a Negan feature issue! What’s got him being so fucked up? It could just be simply he’s insane, but I would love to know how and why he got to where he is when his character was introduced. Although the governor was just as fucked up in his own way, Negan really freaked me out when he was first brought into the story! I was legit afraid of him! When he killed Glenn that stayed with me for days! I couldn’t get the images and the scene out of my head. Bravo to the entire TWD team for creating such an unforgettable character. Scumbag isn’t even in the vicinity of what Negan is. He’s self-titled. People will be using “NEGAN” as an adjective to describe other horrendous people!
I can only imagine what Negan’s point system was! I just went back & looked at that section in the comic…indeed he gave them a choice to be one of his “wives” or be on this point system but we don’t know what the point system involves. To have women leave their husbands, it can’t be anything good! This is still abuse & still rape.
Yeah! Just the fact that he had a point system. Dwight admits that his wife decided to “be Negan’s wife,” so that they could live better lives makes me wonder how bad life was before she decided to do that thinking that it would make things better for them and in the end Dwight gets iron faced. Man, he is really an intricate multi-layered son of a bitch! *chants* Negan Feature! Negan Feature!
Maybe Negan picked his women. Had preferences. Were there any nasty-looking ones in there?
and that is what sucks about guys. he was a rapist. he may have not liked other rapists and he may have told himself those women want to be with him, but he wouldn’t let them leave… and he was in the power position, holding their men, families, their own safety over those women.. that is rape. and it is disgusting that people don’t know that
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I’m not sure what Negan did constitutes as rape”
Then let me clear it up for you, yes it does constitutes as rape.
There were no threats of physical harm. Negan’s wives were sought after positions within their community. They had absolutely no responsibilities. They had two rules: Be willing to have sex with Negan and be faithful to Negan and only Negan. Negan’s wives made a conscious decision that they didn’t have to accept, and only when they were caught being unfaithful to him was anyone hurt.
Lol on “sought after positions within their community”. The frame where these chicks are vying for Daddy Negan’s affection was left out of my comics.
Seriously… I didn’t see that one!
I might have me a rare, collectible comic somewhere! lol
I respect other ppl’s opinions but… Wow that’s your interpretation? Granted these are comics. Don’t even read the words in that panel just look at Sherry’s and Amber’s faces. Defeated. They did not want to be Negan’s wives! He’s a tyrant!
Sigh….
Thank you, Dave. Your comment gives me faith in progress. Too many don’t understand what constitutes coercion which breeds wild misconceptions about rape.
Wow! Some people must have a very narrow view of what constitutes rape. It must be why 1 out of 5 women in colllege experience some form of sexual assault. The we aren’t rapists thing Negan said was utterly ironic.
lol how do you compare a post apocalyptic “have sex with me or find you own food” situation to real life college students? You really stretched for that comparison.
He’s not comparing situations…he’s saying real life statistics arise from narrow views like the one he was responding to.
Reading comprehension; learn it. I’m comparing the mentality of some people, pre or post apocalyptic, who have a very narrow definition of rape as only occurring when someone physically forces someone into a sexual act. Talk to some women who have been put into the position of “have sex with me or lose your job and not be able to feed your children” and come back with your idiotic nonsense. It’s the same fucking mentality that leads to 20% of college women being sexually assaulted. It’s not at all a stretched comparison.
No, it wasn’t ironic at all. Dave was starting to rape Molly when Negan caught him and gutted him “Nick-style.” He said we don’t rape because it’s in the rules. The saviors don’t rape, and if they do, they’ll die for it. Nothing ironic about that.
That would be considered cheating on Negan & that’s the ultimate rule not to break….one man, all for himself.
It’s ironic because he doesn’t think he’s raping these women although he’s coercing and manipulating them to be his wife to get these “privileges,” which I think are most likely things they need, such as food and shelter. The quality of life in the Sanctuary must be really bad because it seems like you have to do something to earn points for sustenance. Unfortunately we don’t know what the point system is. He says the Saviors can’t rape and that’s one of the rules, but that’s for other people. What he’s doing is rape and he’s justifying it by calling these women wives. He may not be just taking women to rape them like Dave did with Holly, but he’s raping them in a different way. Just look at the way women respond to him, that’s all the evidence you need. I’m really surprised people aren’t seeing this… What Negan did with The Sanctuary was not okay.
So you dont know what either of the words “Irony” or “Rape” means.
Yes, it was completely ironic because Negan is raping women up in his pent house while gutting someone who was doing the exact same thing in a different context. See my other post to fucking idiot hypno toad if you really need more elaboration on how Negan is a rapist.
I’m pasting in a comment down below from user Sean Dunn that you can find higher up in the discussion. I think he articulates my point better than I could have.
I in no way condone rape, I was just providing a counter point to the discussion going on about the definition of the word and how it related to Negan’s actions in the comics. If someone can’t disagree with you without being a “fucking idiot” then I don’t understand why you’re even commenting. Your comments become worthless if they aren’t open to opposing opinions. Just my two cents. Here is Sean Dunn’s comment:
“?? I listen. I hear what you are saying, and I am having trouble processing it. I see it, I mean being a Savior in general is not healthy. Being Negan’s kept woman in that small, closed society couldn’t have been good. I know you and I have a difference of opinion concerning whether Negan’s “wive’s” could leave him. (I think you are falsely reading between the lines) I think that’s wherein the difference of perception lies. In your interpretation of the world, Negan had manipulated these women in to thinking they had to become his concubine, otherwise they would probably starve to death or be eaten by zombies. Then he basically keeps them in line by disfiguring their previous lovers with hot irons. Where they don’t feel like they have a choice, even though they are being offered one. In this perception, Dwight would be working with the Survivor’s to shut down ‘Saddam’s rape rooms’ and free his wife from her abject slavery.
In my interpretation of the world, the Savior’s are basically a raider gang, their entire tribal policy involves raiding and extorting from local tribes. I’ve never seen a detailed breakdown of the point system the Savior’s use, but it’s basically their currency system. (I’m thinking back to an early glimpse of the Savior camp where two of them were talking about the mattresses, one of them wishing he had enough points saved up to procure one.) So it seems to me that Negan’s “wives” had chosen to be his concubine, in exchange for a life with material needs met without having to participate in the barter system. If one of them ever get’s caught sleeping with someone else, they could leave Negan’s harem and go be with that person, the catch being they are back on the point system. This would cause quite a lot of subdued rage when previous wives decide having their lover’s faces mutilated wasn’t worth leaving the life of “relative privilege” Negan’s harem represented. In my interpretation, Dwight is teaming up with the Survivor’s to destroy Negan’s system that destroyed his life.
But I’m pretty sure now that Dwight is running the Savior camp (assumed), he isn’t getting back together with her. I’m pretty sure he hate’s her and partially blames her for his face. So we’ll just have to wait and see how the story with Dwight and his ex-wife will progress.”
WE. DO. NOT. RAPE!
And, yet he did.
Don’t forget to add mass murder and war criminal to that list.
It is unfortunate that Dwight’s motives were questioned at every turn. Dwight will either dwell on that and become the new boss or the rest of the Savior group will rise up with or without Dwight and try to reclaim the rule that they had. Remember: They are still at war with the walkers/biters, and taking prisoners while at war means you must watch your back even while you are at home.
Negan was not a rapist. He even killed a rapist when they had whats her face prisoner…
He’s got a room fulla willing hoochies, huh.
He had his “wives”….he was a smooth talker and they probably did it out of fear…but thats not rape.
I could debate this with you but we obviously have different meanings as to what rape is. If I was forced to lay with him for fear of the consequences or to protect those I love, it would be rape even if I didn’t physically struggle. To me, rape is rape, unless I give consent with a willingness.
Yes, it was totally RAPE. He psychologically fucked those women to do what he wanted. Mind fucked them. He was manipulating them out of fear. If a man did that to me I would consider that RAPE 100%! Also, when he iron faced the husbands of those women, that’s a complete mind fuck too. The scene with “Dave?” I forget his name and Holly was so crazy to me. The way he was going on and on about, “WE DO NOT RAPE.” I was in shock! He was so adamant about that yet he’s raping women himself. It was a really crazy scene that I’ll never forget. It just goes to show how messed up and insane Negan really is.
Exactly!!
Think You should look at the definition of RAPE dude.
Yea, that is rape.
If you got a girlfriend please have this talk with her….
were you talkied into blowin some guy so you wont have to go back to earning points?
What is that even supposed to mean?
Pretty weird diss !! Oh Snap !
I think he’s talking about Negan’s point system. I didn’t remember. Went back & looked. Nice try but without knowing what the point system is, we really can’t use that as an argument.
I see
Yes but still a very weird diss .
Rape can be mental and emotional abuse as much as physical abuse. The women were kept in line through fear. They were not there willingly. You don’t have to be punching someone to rape them. If you’re not struggling, but your mind is screaming for them to stop, it’s rape.
Consent is a two tier process. You have to give to someone physically and mentally. You don’t have to be emotionally connected, but you have to want to be in that situation.
I guess trophy wives all around the world are being “raped” then right? Its the same exact thing with this situation in TWD. The girls may not want to be near Negan, but he has the power(in the real world wealth=power) and because of that they force themselves to think they are living the luxory life even tho they are miserable. If some beautiful young lady had sex with Dick Cheney would it be called rape because there is no way that that lady would want to be sexually involved with this old man? Or is it called Gold Digging because her only intentions are to gain wealth or power by being with this person.
Sugar Daddy! Those chicks are financially raping the men.
Man down! Pimp in distress !
OMG! Bwaaahahahahahaa!!!
OMG! Bwaaahahahahahaa….Day 2!!!!
Oh Snap !
“Everybody Dance Now”
You are silly
Just trying to be like you, once again, & lighten the mood…you got me beat tho!
Whatever lol
Time to have….
You thought I didn’t know!
What lol ?
I was thinking of another Ol Skool song…think it was Shabba Ranks…but that was “flex”, not “don’t flex”, so never mind, lmao.
LOL!!!!
Oh snap ! I’m sorry I’m just kidding.
I like Snap! That’s some good Ol Skool music!
I have to Google that .
“I’ve Got the Power”
Remember this. Negan completely despises sexual violence, He also threw an offer out there to any women who wanted to be one of his “wives” that many of them couldnt refuse because of the privileges. Those girls raped themselves IMO, They know they are only there to have sex with Negan and its not like he gathered all the women in the sanctuary and started beating their brains in with Lucille until women volunteered to be his “wives”
Pimping is not the same as raping fellas. Gotta agree with Adrian here
I get what you’re saying but I took that offer & what not as part of his chauvinism. He said it’s an honor to be with him & from the looks of it, I don’t think any of them would agree & certainly aren’t there just to have sex with him. However, the pimping thing does sound like a possibility…but that’s only if we knew what the point system was. IMO.
Agreed, maybe the women feared going back to the “point system” more than they feared Negan himself. Wish we had some more insight on how that system worked 😛
Maybe there will be an arc for Dwight…maybe Dwight will be bound & determined that Negan needs to die & approaches the Survivors. Maybe then we’ll get some insight on more of what the Saviors had to endure. I really don’t see Dwight’s story dropping off…he’s too interesting.
thats a good prediction, if anyone will be able to convince Rick it will be Dwight. I honestly hope they do some stuff like this/stretch this post war story out rather than the time jump theory 😀
I was on the fence, regarding the time jump. Now, since this past issue, I think a time jump would be ludicrous.
I agree there’s too much action that needs to happen and questions that need to be answered post war. I really think the woman on the cover is just a character we have yet to be introduced to and is probably already in one of the communities… Could be another one, but seems unlikely. There’s just so much going on after capturing Negan.
I think dude figured he was about to get hammered so he jetted! lol
“Negan completely despises sexual violence, He also threw an offer out there to any women who wanted to be one of his “wives” that many of them couldnt refuse because of the privileges.” – That right there is EXACTLY why it’s rape. Privileges? Exchanging sex for privilege? Oh, I would be so mad if some psychopath propositioned me like that. Also, they had to leave their actual husbands for these so-called privileges. So they could leave their real husbands and be Negan’s wife? Manipulation! Emotional abuse! The irony is that he says he despises sexual violence. He may not outwardly grab the woman to rape them like that one asshole trying to rape Holly and that’s why he’s screwed up because he thinks manipulating them to have sex with him isn’t rape when it clearly is. He doesn’t respect women. Recall the scene when he went to collect half of Rick’s supplies in Alexandria and he completely disrespects Olivia calling her a fatty, but then propositioning her immediately after. He’s a self-absorbent misogynistic pig. Only reason I keep replying is because I’m following this thread and am shocked that people don’t see that Negan is totally a rapist. When Dwight’s wife “volunteered” she thought her and Dwight would have a better life because of his crazy point system or “privileges,” but that wasn’t true because they snuck off together and Negan iron faced him for being with his own wife. Negan coerced Dwight’s wife to be HIS and only his for some privileges that we don’t even know what they are… That’s not pimping. It’s beyond that to me.
read my latest post plz
ill just copy and paste it
I guess trophy wives all around the world are being “raped” then right?
Its the same exact thing with this situation in TWD. The girls may not
want to be near Negan, but he has the power(in the real world
wealth=power) and because of that they force themselves to think they
are living the luxory life even tho they are miserable. If some
beautiful young lady had sex with Dick Cheney would it be called rape
because there is no way that that lady would want to be sexually
involved with this old man? Or is it called Gold Digging because her
only intentions are to gain wealth or power by being with this person?
I don’t think it’s that way at all in this situation. They’re in a zombie apocalyptic world where all there truly is out there is survival. The whole wealth/power thing doesn’t translate in this world to me. People are just trying to live safely, survive, and eat. Based on the glimpse of life we got of The Sanctuary, it looks like people have to do things to earn food and shelter, things that they NEED, not WANT and Negan manipulates people by having power over who gets what, etc. In the other communities: Alexandria, Hilltop, and the Kingdom they all work together to live as best as they can by taking care of each other, providing shelter and food without manipulation or payback. The Sanctuary Negan rules with an iron fist and punishes people for not following HIS rules. Then he justifies being this strong entity of protecting the surrounding communities by killing the zombies for people and thinks he deserves payment of half of their supplies for keeping them safe. It’s complete manipulation and justification on his part for his own benefit. That’s why Rick had to fight back and show him that what he was doing was all wrong and that the communities need to work together to rebuild civilization. The way Negan treats the women in the story… there is obviously fear there. They didn’t want to be his wife because they wanted wealth, power, or an easy life. They chose to be his wife because he gave them “privileges” on a point system just so they could survive. If they cheated on him or disobeyed him he iron faced their actual husbands. It’s fucked up!
Ya i cant argue with you on the fact that hes a sick fuck 😛
this happens in everyday life and its not rape, do all women who dont work and marry ugly wealthy men consider them selves being raped whenever they have sex with their spouse? These same women are caught numerous times sleeping with other men thinking everything will be alright, and when a lot of these wealthy powerful men find out they threaten or hurt the man that their wife is having sex with. The man doesnt even have to be ugly, maybe just to controlling or to angry. When you think that you will be happy with a decision but end up not being happy with it, but dont want to go back to how things were before because things were too hard, i kinda think thats making your own bed and sleeping in it
“Those girls raped themselves IMO”
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WORD!
The whole story line was boring, boring, boring and Negan was just annoying, you can only have a dude say fuck so many times before its overdone. And srsly what is it with this community building, god its boring, get out on the road and go see stuff.
I honestly thought it would end with rick being gunned down by the saviors and watching both leaders fall leaving two groups in a dilemma of what do we do now? I really think that would have shocked us readers and would have been a great way for a NEW BEGINNING, I agree with the dude that posted earlier that the whole war story kind of dragged on, I found the war between the governor was more intense and had a lot more dramatic events that kept us readers on the edge of our seats. Despite this let down I feel there is a great reason for it and like what others are saying that ten issues from now this may come to Bite Rick in the butt.
I would have turned him with a tainted weapon and then chained him to the fence outside of the community as a warning to others.
Every time I read Negans lines I imagined Bill Paxtons voice as Negan. Think Aliens or Weird Science.
Lol! Negan with Bill Paxton’s voice is hilarious. Thanks for brightening up my day with that one.
i see negan talking carl into doing somthing crazy
I am almost sure Negan will come back somehow and screw Rick’s life in a epic way, to make him regret leavin Negan alive. So he should’ve killed him or let Carl kill that bastard.
Hey look. Another issue with no cookie. The title is starting to feel like things are being stretched too thin to assure big order numbers for the next month. At least Afterlife with Archie is turning out to be a more than worthy replacement until the flow of TWD returns.
i think kirkman needs to create a big, huge, enormous ending, and then write the story up to it. then you will get your magnificent ending. chances are that he has already done this and the war is not over.
Rick has a history of letting people live to come back and kill his people for higher ratings at the end of the season, oops that’s the TV show Rick my bad
I just wanted Maggie to get revenge and kill Negan over what happened with Glenn… But i guess with him alive there is still more story to cover and MAYBE (HOPEFULLY) there will be resolution for her…
I’m sure Negan will pass 3-4 issues in jail and then get released for the sake of the survivors, and then become some sort of Abraham character that’ll die a few issues later like, to save someone’s life, like Rick’s or Carl’s.
It was a good resolution to the war, that doesn’t mean it was a resolution to Negan! I read 127 is going to be 40+ pages. I think that will put a lot of 126 into perspective for a lot of us.
It probably will come back to bite him in the ass. But it was still the right choice by rick and by kirkman. The reasons rick gave to the other survivors were spot on, he proved he’s a better man than negan is. We’ve seen brutal rick and it was awesome and I’m sure we will see it again at some point but it’s good to see that she’s kept his humanity. It will be great to see negan in a more submissive and passive way, I hope we’ll learn some more about his past and it will be awesome to see some more dialogue between negan and Carl
An extremely anticlimactic end to the All Out War arc. This was hardly the “game changing issue” Kirkman promised us. Did any major characters actually die during the skirmish? Personally, I wanted to see Rick die at the end of the story and follow Jesus.
The comic has been getting stale for a while with repeating the same cycle. Wander, find place, lose place, wander. This was a great chance to break that cycle and they didn’t. Negan should have killed Carl in front of Rick. That would have been the ultimate cost of keeping him alive.
you have to realize Carl is still growing up Rick has to be careful of the decisions he makes because it could effect the person Carl becomes i think Rick saying to carl that we’re better then him he will rot in jail is going to be important for Carl’s story.
I agree. What Rick did by not killing Negan will definitely affect Carl. He’s also at that age where he’s growing into a man and everything his father does influences his thinking and behavior. Even so, I still think it’s possible that Carl may have just said “okay,” but is secretly going to try and kill Negan like he did with Ben. The circumstances are different since Rick explained to Carl that the new way of life is not to kill, but we don’t know if Carl is going to take that as truth or accept it like Rick hopes he would… He’s tried to kill Negan twice now… so I guess we’ll just have to wait and see!
I keep hearing this still, small voice in my mind, saying, “I did what I had to do. It had to be done & YOU weren’t going to do it!”
Look, my opinion is that this was a grat ending. The comics aim to be a realistic interpretation of a zombpocalypse. Therefore, not everybody’s going to live and the bad guys aren’t alsways going to die. Negan will live with nothing but the memories he has. The Governor wasn’t killed in an epic glorious showdown between Rick and him. No, he was gunned down by one of his own after she realized that he was the REAL monster. All I’m saying is, this comic does a great job of giving a good build up and a good ending because the endings don’t have to be what everyone wants–they have to be what Rick and the group wants.
i could see Negan being in jail for a while. Kirkman could focus on bigger things maybe introduce some a new interesting character and just when we forget Negan becomes a main character again for better or for worst
I like hiking it’s fun . I’m thinking about hiking the Appalachian trail next year .
I like turtles.
I love the ninja turtles . I wonder if they are a protected species.
When’s the movie release?
August 8
I couldn’t do the Pink Ladies. I ain’t no pink kinda chick! Guess I’d lone wolf it in some black or silver.
How do you think the T-Birds would fair in the zombie apocalypse?
Stick their thumbs in their mouths, run & go jump off that bridge. We gotta find another gang for you…T-Birds too ……
Let’s stick with TNMT for now.
LOL!!! But its Grease lighting tho !!
How ’bout the Wallenquist Org?
They are not real enough for me . i want my gang to dance and sing like real thugs from the streets .
Milli Vanilli as gang leader?
Yes and when we have meetings they can have someone else speak for them .
Bahahaha!
How ’bout these guys? Check out dude in the middle…his name is Bowser.
I’m going for ruthless dancing thug .. Something like the apocalyptic Backstreet Boys something really hardcore like sparkles on our jackets something other thugs wouldn’t dare to do .
You could always bring back New Kids on the Block.
That’s not a bad idea .
Yes! What you know about Jordan Knight?!?! Lol.
My age is tellin’ on me, I know!
I actually liked his solo album! #guilty
I had the very first album…stacked it right next to Milli Vanilli & MC Hammer.
August 8
Its cool he let him live. Sucks hes gonna be in jail though but i bet he’ll escape in one issue and do something crazy…
This might be the last idiot decision from Rick i can take. When Carl, Michonne, Andrea or Eugene get killed by Negan he will realize what an idiot hes being. I’m all for giving people second chances, but this just has disaster written all over it
Took far too long to get to the disappointing conclusion to the all out war….. My toddlers have bigger rumbles than that. I was very bummed out.
No avenging Glenn. No Carl going to town with Lucille. No. ….. Well. .. Anything. Just Rick trying to go back to being a cop.
Your toddlers break each others legs and slash there necks open?
Daily.
Then you got better things to worry about then the ending to all out war.
Nah, they keep each other busy so I got plenty of time to read. Besides, I got four of them, so I can afford to lose one or two. After the death match tournament the strongest will serve me well.
Hahaha on a serious note…I think the ending was kinda cool. Its definitely a big change. I could see the “jail” getting filled with misbehaved community members and eventually a break out.
ROTFLMAO!!!
rick’s arguments were right, but negan should have been the last death, i think that the risk of having negan alive is too high
Worst ending to All out Waste! Very disappointed. The writing could have been a lot better!
Rick didn’t die, despite being surrounded by saviours at the end of the last issue? I’ll give it a miss.
This obviously won’t be the last we see of the saviors so maybe my theory about Sherry being on the cover of #127 & #128 isn’t too far off and we’ll learn more backstory about them and their resources
I’m sure Rick will want to be in contact with Dwight and create some sort of Council between all the communities (Hilltop / Alexandria / Kingdom and now the savior’s Sanctuary)
Possibly a court for judgement upon those who are unfit to live and the start of building towards Law And Order in the apocalypse?
but….
WHAT happened to this guy?
Wheres RICK?
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WHAT HAPPENED TO MY RICKTATOR =(
Kirkman banking on Negan for more material later on is making me dislike Rick’s decision making.
negan should of died by his own baseball bat
Tell you what… If someone snapped my leg in half before passing out, I’d make sure he either didn’t wake up, or didn’t want to wake up. None of Rick’s actions made any sense whatsoever.
I almost wanna think that Rick is not gonna go Full Shane, but Full Governor & torture the hell outta Negan! But then Rick is so much nicer than I am! lol!!
I think he should be imprisoned cause he’s too useful to be put to death. I’ve always found it hard to tag Negan as a bad guy. Rick even says if they killed him they’d be worse cause Negan had a chance to kill Rick and Carl but didn’t. He even killed a potential traitor to Rick. Negan is as much a villain as Rick, especially after 125 when Negan agrees and Rick cuts his throat. Negan’s actions have always been one of necessity to keep order and his people alive. The same as Rick. In conclusion Negan is too intelligent, resourceful, and valuable to be thrown away. I believe he’s going to become one of the survivors greatest resources and I’ll even go as far as saying one of rick’s top guys. It’s just a matter of does he let his pride push him to vengeance (as we’ve seen Rick do multiple times, hunters, the road side gang) or not. Honestly Negan might be more of a good guy than Rick.
I usually don’t post this way, but I was totally blown away here….
Wow, I wonder how many frames did you skip to get through AOW? Na, Negan’s a tyrant in almost every frame so you couldn’t have skipped! I’d do double-take reading if I were you & think about it some more!
No insult meant but DAMN!
He was only misguided probably due to the same shit Rick went through. He saw it as it takes might to keep order, Rick saw it as trust is the right path. How many Times has Rick been screwed by that method. Negan’s tyrant image is a role he created, not who he actually was. In that way he shares similarities to the governor but through the novels we see who the governor really was and I believe we’ll see the same thing for negan. It comes down to whether negan will come back.
A bad guy’s a bad guy… no matter if he got that way by a hard life. It’s like a dog that bites because it’s been mistreated…dog has to be put down.
Yea but just like Rick says there’s not enough people left to be killing each other. If he comes back to the light side then he’s a valuable asset and that’s not a far fetched idea. Prisons are suppose to be rehabilitation centers so let’s see if he gets rehabilitated.
If you view the story only through the survivors eyes then you’ll always agree with them. Spencer saw Rick as another Negan. Gabriel even tells Douglas not to let rick’s group in because they’re savage. If negan deserves death for his crimes then so should Rick. The whole idea of walking dead is to question the line between right and wrong and in an objective mind it does just that.
Well said. I believe that’s why Rick decided not to kill Negan at the end because then he wouldn’t be any better than Negan was. Truth be told though, Negan killing Glen really messed me up! It was brutal and it stayed with me for days after reading that issue. I hated Negan even more after that. 🙁
And that right there…those kinds of actions….combined with what he’s doing with the women & taking from all the other communities, etc. is what separates him from Rick!
That is well said, like LJSupafly states…however, I believe although a person in the right (Rick) may have to resort to doing something wrong, he/she can be separated from a person in the wrong (Negan) based on the reasons why they do what they do (morals).
Rick has done some dark things, but only because he was forced to. And we see that his goal is to protect his family, which includes more than just Carl & Judith, and so these actions are done out of love. He doesn’t want to kill and often fights against it, but sometimes has to.
Negan has done things you could argue that would be for the sake of survival, but it’s quite obvious that plenty of those things are primarily for his own gratification and has nothing at all to do with survival. Case in point, Glenn. That was strictly a show of authority. If I had to take a guess, pre-apocalyptic Negan was a trigger happy, self indulged cop who got his ass bailed out of a bad situation a thousand times and took every advantage he possibly could to boost and entertain himself in some way.
If Negan actually joins forces with the Survivors, then Rick’s decision to not kill him would be absolutely justified. But so would killing him. Rick is a great man for making that decision, but he should have also taken in consideration the consequences of saving him. There aren’t enough people in the world to be killing each other, true, but I’m gonna throw a twisted Hershel line on you & say “It’s what you’re killing for”. And when it comes to Carl (whom we haven’t mentioned in this context), Rick’s influence/life lessons for an apocalypse should be different than in a normal world. I think Carl understands what Rick doesn’t quite get: Killing doesn’t make you a bad person because sometimes it has to be done for the good.
As for punishment for the acts of murder/crimes themselves, one thing you have to keep in mind is that “this ain’t a democracy anymore”. There are no laws to govern criminals. It is all about survival and characters like The Governor and Negan are taking it to a level that goes way beyond just survival and they deserve to die, if only to save others from getting killed. With that being said, I’d say morals play a large part in determining right from wrong.
Nice Hershel quote, I miss that old man. The Governor novels reveal a whole series of events that take a coward hiding in a closet to a broken man to a hell bent psycho. Negan’s back story, which could make an amazing set of novels if anyone important is reading this, could reveal a whole set of events that repaint Negan’s whole image. When Abraham first showed up he got into multiple arguments with Rick. And although comparing Abraham’s hardheadedness to Negan’s actions is a little far apart, we’ve seen that Rick tends to butt heads with some of his greatest allies.
Referring to Glen’s death, Rick’s group had killed a handful of saviors prior to that. Negan only killing Glen was, this hurts a little, merciful. We were all upset that Glen died but at the time Negan still had an image to uphold. IF, and I do agree its a decent size if, Negan was genuinely agreeing with Rick at the end of 125 then it shows that Negan can be reasoned with. That’s something I think he already shows throughout his time in the series. He might use methods that are rash but I feel that it comes down to how far he’s willing to go. Negan has had plenty of opportunities to just wipe out those who stand against him, he restrains himself though.
I don’t think Carl fully understands the world and isn’t quite mature enough to decide who lives or dies. I’m pretty sure Rick understands that killing doesn’t make you a bad person but he’s also an honorable person who believes a good deed deserves another and again Negan let Carl live so Rick is in an awkward position. Let Negan live takes a chance, killing Negan makes you worse. Negan letting them live could have been preparation in case he got caught but that just shows how much more valuable he is as a strategist. They should have some kind of trial or group decision. Prison probably won’t work though, no dead weight. Negan’s fate is still in his hands though and he can prove himself.
Also great convo. Can’t wait to see who’s right and how this whole thing plays out.
Just points here, & we can go a little further in, if ya like:
~I “felt” for The Governor in the first novel & the beginning of the second. He still ended up being a bad guy to me instead of just being disturbed.
~Why did Rick kill some Saviors vs. why Negan killed Glenn?
~Negan spares lives so that he can break them & force them to serve his purpose. A dead man is useless. He also seems to just enjoy f’cking with people.
~Carl does have growing up to do but one thing he needs from his dad is structure. Rick needs to make up his damn mind!
~A trial or group decision would be the optimal thing for Rick to do! That would spread the liability to all. But I don’t see that happening, based on Rick’s determination to keep him alive.
~Love a good debate where only opinions are expressed & respect is shared!
Sorry for a lengthy post & I really respect your opinion.
All you haters need to see the big picture in terms as what is to come. Quit treating every issue like it’s a permanent ending. Kirkman knows what he’s doing guys.
Story’s not over, that’s for sure! “This changes everything!”
Yeah I’m gonna read #127 and see where it all goes before casting judgement. At first I was not taken with the ending but I re-read it again in the morning and it started to grow on me.
My problem with Kirkman banking material with Negan is at the same time he is making me dislike Rick’s actions, because it doesn’t make sense why Rick would want him alive. When Negan breaks loose the blood is gonna be on Rick’s hand because no one wanted Negan alive including three community leaders (Maggie, Dwight, Ezekiel).
I guess Rick infected Negan with poisoned knife and turn him into zombie, then Rick’s son Carl got a new pet.
I am HAPPY that Negan is still alive. I think he is too interesting of a character to just kill off like that. BUT, I don’t think he should be put in jail. He needs to be tortured for what he has done. However it should be interesting to see the people who are still loyal to Negan maybe trying to help him escape, if there still are people who are still loyal.
I actually liked 126. Rick letting Negan live is like an exclamation mark to his plans on rebuilding civilization, it’s the first step towards a new future. Killing him would have just meant everything stays the same. I also love how Rick told him he is going to make Negan watch and see just how wrong he was as he rots, that right there is straight out of Negan’s playbook, his preferred method of torture was making you watch as he committed atrocities.
Besides I think Kirkman has plans in the future for Negan, but I would guess it will not come down as revenge, I think Negan will make a dramatic choice somewhere down the line to help Rick. Perhaps someone will be threatening what Rick is doing, maybe even release him only for Negan to help Rick when the time is right.
Goes against the ONLY rule Rick ever made.. You Kill.. You DIE!
I knew I would pick the most popular decision.
And I agree with Gerry it was a lame ending to AOW
how do you know it is over? as long as he is alive he could be a threat, i’m a bit worried actually… leaving the governor alive came back to kick tyreese in the neck
Mark Strong should play Negan!!!
Meg gotta kill him same way he did to Glenn.
I loved this story but I must say that this ending was a disappointment for me. Not sure what I was looking for but it was definitely something else. Probably the first time this comic has ever let me down. Can’t wait for whats next though
Negan and Rick should get married.
When are Rick and Negan going to kiss? Next issue is double sized so we’ll see.
A total let down. I’ve been reading monthly since issue seven…the magic is gone. Bye.
A long journey to get to the end of this “All out War”. There were some good parts, but some really pointless parts as well. Many of the chapters along the way felt like they were just being repeated.
Kirkman hyped the hell out of the ending (but he always does) and after that last page of 125, I thought 126 would be an epic battle to the death of one group or the other. But instead, 126 just felt like the whole story arc fizzled out. Rick vs. Negan in very “Meh” showdown. Most of the other major characters took a back seat. Rick had another “we can change the world” speech. Carl uncharacteristically allows Negan to live simply because Rick said no to kill him. That really didn’t feel right based on where they have taken Carl’s character. And now Negan is going to be Rick’s prisoner/bitch. That just feels like a cheap way to keep the character around. Still, it’s the best book out there IMO. Curious where its going to go in 127 with this possible new group?
Rick’s decision. Fair… Civilized… or utterly Cruel? Think of it like this: Jail/Prison ‘today’ = 3 hots and a cot, A/C, Conjugal visits, free college/trade education, internet, cable TV, library, phone calls to family/friends, recreation room, etc… ( Don’t believe me Google it. Heck some even have field trips. )
Jail during the Zombie Apocalypse in a town full of people who don’t like and will never trust you = 8X8 room-or less, just enough food/water to keep you alive, and… ummm… errr… a pet rat? Or to use Rick’s last two words… “You’re FUCKED.” All caps… period, no need for an exclamation point. How long will it take- for a guy like Negan, with his personality/attitude, used to having power- before he loses it.
So, fair, civilized, or did Rick REALLY know what he was going to do to a man like Negan by imprisoning him? Consciously Rick spouts “better than him, civilized way, remake the world,” etc. But subconsciously, with those last two words, you know Rick’s real intentions- “Rot in hell you S.O.B! I’m going to enjoy watching you suffer for all the pain you’ve caused.”
At least that’s my two cents…
hes going to get out of jail and come after rick
WHAH! WHAH! WHAH! Rick’s decision made perfect sense. Use your brain for once people.,