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Episode 414: The Grove-Recap and Discussion

Last week ended with Beth being kidnapped and Daryl falling in with a very unsavory group of fellows… but we’re putting that on hold this episode to finally catch up with Tyreese, Carol, and the girls. Unsurprisingly, there’s a lot of trouble ahead, and it all begins with an intriguing and eerie opening.

A kitchen. Tea kettle boiling, haunting record playing. Out the window we see a girl running circles around a walker and then… credits! Really short, really creepy tease of an opening. After the credits we go to Carol and Lizzie, keeping watch over a sleeping Tyreese and Mika. Lizzie says that she can keep watch and take care of Judith. Lizzie dispassionately recounts what happened at the Prison, about her and Mika having to kill to protect Tyreese. Lizzie asks Carol about her daughter. “Do you miss her?” “Every day.” “Would you miss me?” “I’m not going to have to miss you. You’re dead on your feet, go get some sleep.” Dead on her feet?! Ominous turn of phrase in the zombie apocalypse. Lizzie hugs Carol and goes to lie down next to Tyreese, who’s having a nightmare.

The next day, Lizzie helps Carol collect some sap to treat Tyreese’s arm. Carol and Tyreese discuss how Lizzie doesn’t understand the walkers and what they are. Mika, however, has the opposite problem. She doesn’t have a mean bone in her body.

They hit the road again and head for Terminus. They discuss Tom Sawyer and Tyreese says that he forgot how Carol used to read to the kids. Carol’s like “I used to do wha–oh yeah. Yes, I read to the kids. I definitely read to the kids.” They pass by some walkers down the embankment from the tracks and Lizzie starts smiling and waving at them. Carol admonishes her. Before long they start to smell smoke.

Carol and Mika go off to look for water, leaving Judith with Tyreese and Lizzie. A walker shambles down the tracks toward them. Tyreese pulls his hammer but before he can do anything the walker falls into a hole and gets stuck there. Lizzie stops Tyreese from killing it, telling him that sometimes they don’t have to kill them.

Meanwhile Carol and Mika are walking, and Carol is trying to toughen up Mika. When Mika says she can run, Carol says that what Sophia tried, and we all know how that turned out. Mika says she isn’t messed up like her sister and then goes on to staunchly refuse to killing humans, even bad ones. Carol says she’ll have to change, everyone does. Just then they chance upon a house surrounded by a decent barbwire fence. Tyreese and Carol notice smoke from the fire they smelled. Tyreese says it might be from lighting or a camp fire. Or a redneck burning down a moonshine shack. They reckon it’s still a ways off.

Tyreese and Carol go to clear the house while Lizzie and Mika stay out front with Judith. Lizzie’s talking again about how walkers are just people when one bursts out of the house and falls off the porch toward them. Lizzie lies there helpless with Judith while Mika shoots at the walker. Lizzie’s crying, but not because she was almost zombie food, but because Mika shot him. Mika wants to bury the walker, since it was his house. Carol says if she wants to bury him she can do it herself.

Carol watches Mika struggle to bury the walker while Tyreese takes stock. They have baby food, canned goods, a crib, even gas for the stove. Carol goes outside for water and ends up helping Mika, just like Mika knew. She sure is plucky.

That night they all crowd around the fire in the living room. Impossibly peaceful for the first time in ages. Mika says that they should live there. Tyreese throws Carol a surprised look but she just smiles.

The next morning Carol puts on the tea and we revisit the scene from the intro. She sees Lizzie “playing” with the walker outside and runs out. She tackles the walker (who Lizzie named Griselda) and kills her. Lizzie starts screaming at Carol. “She was playing with me, she wanted a friend! I was going to lead her away! What if I killed you?! You don’t understand, you don’t understand, she didn’t want to hurt anybody! She was my friend and you killed her! YOU KILLED HER! YOU KILLER HER! SHE WAS MY FRIEND AND YOU KILLED HER!” Oh boy. Tyreese hears the kettle screeching and watches Lizzie’s breakdown from the kitchen window. Carol just has a look on her face like “this is going to be a problem.”

Later that day, Mika and Carol go for a walk. They see the smoke and little Mika drops some knowledge that black smoke means the fire is still burning. They see a deer. Carol wants Mika to shoot it. She takes aim but can’t pull the trigger. The deer gets away. “I can’t. We have peaches,” she offers with a shrug.

When Tyreese and Carol go for water later, Tyreese says they could stay. He doesn’t trust strangers anymore and offers the Prison as a lesson. He says he trusts Carol and the girls and they could stay there and live.

Back at the house Mika goes looking for Lizzie and sees her walk into the woods with a box. When she follows she finds Lizzie feeding a mouse to the walker. Mika tries to reason with Lizzie. Lizzie says that they just want her to change. To be like them. Super creepy. As Lizzie starts to offer her hand to the walker, more of them burst out of the woods, charred and smoking. The girls run. Mika gets stuck on the fence, and as Lizzie helps free her, Tyreese and Carol open fire on the walkers. Even Mika joins in. The four of them kill the walkers. Carol tells Lizzie, “You did it!”

That night Lizzie is remorseful but says she knows what she has to do now. Mika says she doesn’t want to hurt anyone, she doesn’t want to be mean. Lizzie tells her that sometimes you have to be mean. Tyreese has another nightmare on the chair.

The next day Carol also entertains the idea of staying. Tyreese says it doesn’t mean they can’t go some day, he’s just not ready to be around other people yet. He reveals that he dreams about Karen every night. He reveals that in his worst dreams, he sees a stranger kill her and he loses her all over again. The whole world is haunted now, he says. Carol is tearful, she says maybe the dead aren’t haunting them, just teaching them to live with what they have to do. Tyreese tells her not to be ashamed of what she’s done and hugs her.

As they walk back, they see Lizzie standing there. Judith on the ground. Lizzie’s hands bloody, holding a knife. They start to run. Mika is lying on the ground behind her. Lizzie smiles, “Don’t worry! She’ll come back! I didn’t hurt her brain!” Tyreese and Carol are shocked. Carol makes a move for Lizzie’s knife. Lizzie pulls her gun on Carol. “I need to show you! You’ll see! We have to wait!”

Carol asks for the gun and promises that they’ll wait. Lizzie hands it over and Carol tells her to go inside with Judith and Tyreese. Lizzie says that Judith can change too, she was just about to—Carol says Judith is too little and she’ll tie up Mika while they go inside.

When they’re gone, Carol’s cool breaks.

Back inside Tyreese and Carol sit down and try to talk it out. Tyreese learned from Lizzie that it was her who was feeding the walkers at the Prison fences and it was her that dissected and displayed the rabbit back in the tombs. He thinks maybe it was Lizzie that killed Karen and David. Carol says that Lizzie would have let them turn, it wasn’t her. Carol offers to leave with Lizzie, citing that they obviously can’t keep Judith safe with Lizzie around. Unfortunately, it seems pretty clear to Carol that Lizzie’s behavior is just part of who she is, and as is such, she can’t be around other people.

Carol and Lizzie go for a walk. When Lizzie picks up on Carol’s distress, she gets genuinely upset. “Are you mad at me? I’m sorry I pulled my gun on you!” Carol tells her that she loves her and everything works out the way its supposed to, echoing the lesson Mika tried to teach her. She tells Lizzie to look at the flowers. She pulls her gun and kills Lizzie.

Carol is, understandably, a mess as she walks back to the house. She digs a grave as Tyreese carries Lizzie’s body over. It’s just the three of them now.

As they sit quietly at the table that night, Carol slides her gun over to Tyreese and finally admits that she killed Karen and David. She says she had to stop the virus, she had to stop people from dying. It wasn’t Lizzie, it wasn’t a stranger. She tells Tyreese to do what he has to do. Tyreese grabs the corners of the table. “Did she know what was happening? Was she scared?” Carol shakes her head. “It was quick?” “Yes.” Tyreese squeezes the gun. Again Carol tells him to do what he has to do. He lets go of the gun. “I forgive you. I’m never gonna forget. It happened. You did it. You feel it, I know you do. It’s a part of you now. Me too… but… I forgive you.”

Emotionally exhausted and more haunted than ever, Tyreese says they can’t stay at the house. Too much has happened. Come the morning, they leave the house and the graves behind and head toward Terminus.

Holy F, what a heavy episode. Comics fans probably saw this coming, as it bears a lot of resemblance to the Ben and Billy storyline in the comics, but what about those of you who watch week to week only?
Did you expect Lizzie could go that far?
How do you think this is going to affect Carol in the long term–can she just keep hardening or is it eventually going to break her down?
And what about Tyreese?

We want your BEST comment, not your most upvoted comment. Lizzy and I will pick the comment that we think contributes the most to the discussion (by being funny, insightful, awesome, etc) and that person will get a TWD shirt and TWD PVC fig!

Oh, and be sure to check out our Post-Mortem with Robert Kirkman!

  1. Nick Lemr March 16, 2014 at 7:03 pm - Reply

    I bet the fire was Beth and Daryl’s; a nice little reminder of our missing character and how we didn’t learn anything about her this week…

  2. Chris Bigger March 16, 2014 at 7:04 pm - Reply
  3. Chris Bigger March 16, 2014 at 7:05 pm - Reply

    Been waiting for it to happen

  4. Nick Lemr March 16, 2014 at 7:06 pm - Reply

    Really glad they pulled that moment from the comics. I liked the lead up better, but I did prefer the comic’s resolution, but that wasn’t possible in the show where it stands.

  5. Chris Bigger March 16, 2014 at 7:06 pm - Reply
  6. strgzer March 16, 2014 at 7:07 pm - Reply

    Carol is most awsome actor! Putting Lizzie down was so hard! Confusing toTryess… The throw back to the psycho brothers in comics… Thank u Robert Kirkman for the TWD universe. Luv u…

  7. Jon March 16, 2014 at 7:09 pm - Reply

    Another boring episode. Tonight’s episode was basically like the Daryl/Beth episode a couple weeks ago. They found a house, killed a few walkers, at some food (as well as find moonshine), then left. Big deal. I wonder what Rick and Carl have been doing for the last THREE FRIGGIN WEEKS? They are the real stars of the show and we havent seen them now in three weeks…thats poor writing, if you ask me. They need to keep us updated on the status of the other stars. So far, every episode only has a couple of stars in each one…If the writing stays like it is now, the show will be canceled…

  8. Chris Bigger March 16, 2014 at 7:10 pm - Reply

    I’m so happy I never pissed my brother off like Mika did Lizzie

    • Andrea Ouellette Johnston March 16, 2014 at 9:59 pm - Reply

      Mika didn’t make her mad she just did it cause she was trying to show Carol she was wrong and she would be ok when she changed. She said she was about to do it with the baby too but they walked up too soon

  9. Chris Bigger March 16, 2014 at 7:16 pm - Reply

    Was waiting the whole time for Carol to tell Tyreese

  10. Bastet March 16, 2014 at 7:16 pm - Reply

    I am so glad that Carol came out & told Ty what she had done! And what a man Ty is for forgiving!! I love both of these characters!!!

  11. thewalkingdeadfanatic2 March 16, 2014 at 7:16 pm - Reply

    good episode- but mika, Graselda Gunderson? Really? what kind of freaking ugly name is that?!?

  12. doridickie March 16, 2014 at 7:18 pm - Reply
  13. Chris Bigger March 16, 2014 at 7:19 pm - Reply

    Baby in a sack what a great invention

  14. Jess March 16, 2014 at 7:20 pm - Reply

    Thought this episode was fantastic. Love the way themes from the comics (Ben and Billy) cross over to the screen while keeping us guessing the whole time. Never thought this theme would be addressed in the show.

  15. Daniel Boyer March 16, 2014 at 7:20 pm - Reply

    Wow, one thing for sure…they picked the right character to meet up with Tyreese and the girls…

    Great writing by The Walking Dead to bring one of the stories from the comics to the TV show…

    First thought, Merle and Carol would have made a great couple…too bad they killed off Merle…

    Second thought, great they resolved Carol killing Karen…big issue of something that Carol did…that needed to be done…that needed be resolved with others…

    Final thought, gonna be a great moment when Carol and Tyreese present the baby to Rick and Carl…I really see that happening as one of the final scenes of the season…I now believe Carol, Tyreese and the baby will survive this season…

  16. Dani March 16, 2014 at 7:37 pm - Reply

    This theme of the characters ‘coming together’ seems like it is setting us up for the finale or the reuniting of what is left of the group. Michonne doesn’t want to be alone, joins Carl and Rick; Daryl decides to be part of a group (then oops, bye Beth); Bob, Sasha and Maggie decide to work together; Tyreese chooses to stay with Carol despite what she did. Being alone doesn’t work in this world or the zombie apocalypse!

    Carol had to protect everyone from Lizzie just like Rick felt she was a threat to the whole group. Good thing Rick didn’t tell her to look at the flowers!

    Loved this episode much more than the last two, fantastic writing 🙂

  17. Marcus Von Keller March 16, 2014 at 7:37 pm - Reply
  18. Eric Harper March 16, 2014 at 7:46 pm - Reply
  19. Guest March 16, 2014 at 7:54 pm - Reply

    Why does her necklace have a hand dangling from it? Part of the Walking Dead thym?

  20. Kelly March 16, 2014 at 7:55 pm - Reply

    Why does she have a hand dangling from her necklace? Is it a Walking Dead thing?

  21. Kevin Hussey March 16, 2014 at 8:03 pm - Reply

    can someone tell me what was the story behind someone spying on carol at the prison when she was practicing a c section on a walker… I believe season 3, episode 3or 4 maybe?

  22. Matt W. March 16, 2014 at 9:07 pm - Reply

    On a scale of most creepiest
    Lizzie > Governor > Carol calling Daryl “Pookie” > Bob Stookey
    I think Terminus is a trap! It’s the home of the HUNTERS!!! ONLY 2 MORE EPISODES LEFT!!!

  23. Tabby Marie March 16, 2014 at 9:35 pm - Reply

    It was obvious when Lizzie started to freak out about not killing the walkers she had some mental issues going on. But to kill her own sister when she had just saved her the previous day? It makes no sense. Then again when someone is mentally ill (which after seeing everything they’ve seen who wouldn’t be?) you can’t really expect things to be sensible. I’m incredibly glad that they got to her before she did anything to Judith…although previously she nearly killed Judith as well. As bittersweet as it is, Lizzie is better off with the flowers. Now, we just have to figure out who will be put to rest next…it must be a huge character…my vote is on beth because of her foreshadowing “you’ll miss me” with Daryl, and then possibly…Carl just because he’s been getting a lot of screen time as well as wishing death upon his own father when he knows good and well he needs him. Wouldn’t karma be something in the zombie apocalypse? Guess we will have to wait and see.

  24. Frank Carrera March 16, 2014 at 9:52 pm - Reply

    I love…Love…LOVE when the comic and the show cross paths.

    Tonight’s Walking dead was incredible!!

    But my favorite scene was the look on Tyrese’s face as Lizzy stood there with a bloody knife in her hand. I half expected him to slooowly walk to his left, like “this white girl is CRAZY…”

  25. ziggityzag March 16, 2014 at 11:09 pm - Reply

    i cant wait to see what happens with beth and to see how darryl gets himself out of the predictament he done got himself into i also think terminus isnt a trap neccesarrily but i do think its one of the sitiuations like the governer and i might just start reading the comics though i have been following the show from not only the first season i also re watch the webisodes but this episode is definately a wow factor

  26. Pam March 16, 2014 at 11:09 pm - Reply

    Every time I watch this show I see what we may be struggling with in the future, not zombies but and Apocalypse of our own making. I just see the loss, the horror of deprivation, no modern medicine to heal the tiniest wound. The struggle for survival that so many of us will have no idea how to survive if the power goes off.

    I knew when Rick banned Carol from the group, she was not evil. She has evolved into a strong woman trying to save what she considers her family. I do believe that there will come a time when she will break, but that will be when the pressure is off and she has time to be alone with her thoughts.

    Lizzie was a budding serial killer, Carol has just been unwilling to see the truth. Now she has Mikas death on her shoulders too. I didn’t see that coming. Perfectly logical that the girls would argue and Lizzie would “prove” her idea. They had no choice but to put her down.

    A woman like Carol could not listen to Tyreese for long before the truth would spill out of her. She was so guilt ridden that she probably wanted him to pull that trigger. Tyreese will stick to his decision to forgive her. That doesn’t make things rosy because he will always remember that she did it and wonder if they could have gotten the medicine in time. He is the type to accept what is done is done. He didn’t have the steel in his spine that Carol did to put Lizzie down.

  27. Danielle Fair March 17, 2014 at 8:28 am - Reply

    Intense episode. Was quite shocked I knew it was coming i had felt since the introduction to the sisters that they would take the place of the twin boys from the comic. We expected Lizzy to kill her sister but didn’t make it any easier to see. IF she had had just a little more time and Judy would have been dead too. So much to this episode it was really deep!

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