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Episode 406: Live Bait-Recap

It’s the return of everyone’s favorite democratically elected official! Tonight’s episode draws HEAVILY on the Governor novels from Robert and Jay Bonansinga, specifically the first one, Rise of the Governor. Like the comic though, there are some noted differences, which help keep things interesting.

At the episode’s outset we see that the Governor split from his remaining men and returned to Woodbury and torched the entire town. So anyone wondering why that hasn’t been re-inhabited, well, now you know. Time passes, and we see the Governor shambling through the apocalypse, bearded, wild-haired, generally not caring about much.

It’s in this state that he chances upon a family, the Chalmers: sisters Tara and Lilly, Lilly’s daughter Megan, and their infirmed father (late stage lung cancer, unable to walk, almost out of oxygen). After surrendering his weapons (and giving his name as “Brian Hariot”), the Governor stays the night. His behavior is somewhat odd, and refused comfort, dumping his Spaghetti-Os out the window.

After helping Chalmers to his bed, he sends the Governor upstairs to fetch a backgammon set, letting the Governor know that it’s occupied by walkers. The Governor finds an amputee walker in the bathtub, the apparent victim of a suicide attempt. He takes the man’s pistol and returns with the backgammon.

The Governor returns to his room and takes a picture of him his wife, and his daughter and folds the picture, obscuring himself. When Lilly arrives in the morning he’s quick to hide the photo.

Lilly asks the Governor to go to the old folks’ home to get an oxygen tank for her father. It’s not a pretty site. Geriatric walkers. He does a pretty good job just maneuvering around them, until they swarm him when he has a cart full of oxygen tanks. He still makes it out with two.

He drops the tanks off, and hastily retreats to his room. Lilly, thankful for what he did, comes to his room to patch up a cut on his head. She leaves Megan alone with the Governor when she goes to get ointment. Megan asks about the Governor’s eye and the two bond, when Megan pinky-swears to not tell anyone.

Some time passes and we see a clean-shaven Governor teaching Megan how to play chess. Lilly and Tara’s father has gotten worse and passes away. They don’t understand how quickly the dead reanimate, and when he does the Governor brutally smashes his head in, much to the confusion of his daughters. The Governor buries him.

When the Governor comes back inside Megan is afraid of him but Lilly. Tara thanks him and offers a reconciliatory fist bump. The Governor goes back to his room and burns the picture of his family.

He tries to slip out but Lilly stops him and tell shim that they’re going with him. That night in the truck, the Governor and Lilly get, uh, intimate.

Later (possibly longer, the time line isn’t necessarily definitive) the truck dies. They set out on foot but come across a herd. They drop their bags and run, the Governor picking up and carrying a scared-stiff Megan. They escape into the woods.

As they run across a field the Governor and Megan fall into a rectangular ditch, complete with walkers. The Governor absolutely destroys the walkers and promises Megan that he’ll never let anything happen to her.

Right as the episode ends, Martinez, the Governors’ former right-hand man, arrives, surprised at what his walker trap has caught.

I’m legitimately curious what everyone thought of this episode. Is this the first time we haven’t seen ANY of our protagonists?

Is the Governor changed? Aside from being a little sullen, moody, and a bit frightening, he wasn’t exactly evil in anyway. What do you guys think?

  1. Chris Bigger November 17, 2013 at 7:03 pm - Reply
  2. Chris Bigger November 17, 2013 at 7:04 pm - Reply

    Kinda liked the duck dynasty governor

  3. Chris Bigger November 17, 2013 at 7:10 pm - Reply

    Governor zombie kills of the month

  4. JustInTime November 17, 2013 at 7:11 pm - Reply

    The Governor is the new Lee Everett…

  5. Chris Bigger November 17, 2013 at 7:12 pm - Reply

    Man this Brian guy has got to be related to the governor.

  6. Seth Putrelo November 17, 2013 at 7:13 pm - Reply
  7. Chris Bigger November 17, 2013 at 7:14 pm - Reply

    I hate falling into pits of walkers too

  8. donna November 17, 2013 at 7:14 pm - Reply

    yes,im happy Governor is back,,,,,,,,,,,,,,……….

  9. Kay November 17, 2013 at 7:15 pm - Reply

    Governor Is EVIL, he’s a little boy trying to control his ‘world’ by throwing a tantrum but other bullies don’t want to let go of the ‘world’ (Plus Daryl needs to be shirtless more, just saying)

  10. Chris Bigger November 17, 2013 at 7:17 pm - Reply

    The governor don’t like spaghetti Tuesdays

  11. Chris Bigger November 17, 2013 at 7:18 pm - Reply

    I knew the governor was a pirate

  12. Adrian Morris November 17, 2013 at 7:23 pm - Reply

    That was a very good episode. It showed another side of the Governor. I liked it.

  13. Chris Bigger November 17, 2013 at 7:24 pm - Reply

    Anyone can redeem themselves

  14. Christopher Powell November 17, 2013 at 7:26 pm - Reply

    good episode, reminded me a lot of the novel the rise of the governor

  15. Snafu November 17, 2013 at 7:26 pm - Reply

    But what happened to the crew. I was sorely disappointed that nothing was shown from the prison.

  16. Chris Bigger November 17, 2013 at 7:27 pm - Reply

    Ultimate death match Dalton vs Phillip in the pit

  17. ld November 17, 2013 at 7:28 pm - Reply
  18. Joe Klein November 17, 2013 at 7:28 pm - Reply

    I saw everybody at the beginning and then it showed everybody on the ground and Rick with a bullet in his head. I think everybody’s dead??????

    • Marisa November 18, 2013 at 4:03 pm - Reply

      The beggining picked up from the last episode of season 3, we see the left overs of the killing the Governor did within the survivors of the Woodbury “army” when it was returning from the totally frustrated attemp of assault at the prison. From that killing fury of the Governor only survived Karen (then rescued by Team Prison when they bumped on that slaughter on their way to Woodbury to try to put an definitive end to the Governor and also to search for Andrea when they are told she left Woodbury to join the old friends back in the prison. Oh, and also survived the right hand man of the Governor, Martinez, the left one, Shumpert, because they stood surprised by the side of the Governor’s while he was shooting all the others. The guy you say is Rick was Ben, he was in the group of Tyreese and Sasha when they arrived at the prison, and when the allucinated Rick kicked them out they all ended up in the Woodbury’s community. Not Rick, unfortunately!

      • Dewey Brannon November 19, 2013 at 12:53 pm - Reply

        Fortunately. Fortunately, it was not Rick. Unless you want Rick to die. Unfortunately, yes, it was Allen.

        • Marisa November 19, 2013 at 1:11 pm - Reply

          Yes, I want Rick to die, sincerily. Or at least, to be cast to the crops and the council decides he is permanentely enabled to return leadership. He is lost, crazy, delusional, and sure isn’t Mr. nice guy anymore. No, I don’t like Rick character a bit. I hope he dies. The Council works fine, Daryl is a good leader in the field actions, and Hershel is pure wisdom. Carol has become very strong, capable on the logistics area. Rick’s no more leadership material. It’s my sincere opinion, he has been evolving to a real prick. Period.

          • Dewey Brannon November 20, 2013 at 12:10 am

            No problem, my fault. Just wasn’t sure. I don’t have so much of a problem with him. Yea, he has made some bad choices, but everyone has at one point or another. I agree, the council is a better solution. Then, it can’t be what one person believes and that’s the way it is. But the council must also be respected, something Carol did not do when she chose her actions. It all depends on in what you are looking for in a leader. Some people want to just survive, which means these are the people who will steal from other survivors, kill other survivors over their stuff. Some people want to build a community, like Woodbury, but capture the savage ness of this world by having walker fights, or some sort of entertainment that would not be deemed legal in today’s society. Then you have those who wish life was like it was, but must do their best to evolve in this world without losing one’s self to the savage and brutality of it all. It’s a very thin line in this world. And truthfully, those people who are okay with actions that tend to cross the line in this world would frighten me in an apocalypse. If one day the government was gone, no authority from cops, judges, senators, the world would go mad. That’s what Rick has tried, and I stress tried, to accomplish from the beginning, to keep that type rule in effect. Laws only don’t exist in this world because we refuse to believe in them anymore. Kinda like your only speeding if you get caught. If no one ever stops you, and you alway go 20 over the limit, your always speeding, you just don’t get caught. I agree, last season Rick was going nuts. He had a Governor type attitude going on, in that he was angry with Lori and never let it go. Not until her death, then he went loopy for a while. But seeing Morgan brought everything back into focus for him. People are the key. One can survive in this world alone. But it takes people to keep you grounded, and that was why he collected the Woodbury survivors after the Governor’s rampage. Again, everyone has made bad choices, and yea, I’d like to see Daryl as leader. But then again, if you become leader, you must make the hard choices. And at some point, the leader will make a choice that can’t be agreed upon by all, only accepted. It’s the hard part of the job. But in such a diminished society, one that’s consists of 30 or so people, or did until the virus hit it did, one could at least consult the group, like Rick does more times then not. It may not be the best way, as he usually states what he thinks, but he always looks at those he speaks with for acknowledgement. I’d rather someone come to me before they made a choice such as burning my loved one, or anyone for that matter, as it could just as easily be my loved one.

          • Marisa November 20, 2013 at 9:07 am

            Rick said in one of the first episodes that “I know you have (Daryl) been forced to make some hard choices in this time”, he was refering to the leadership burden Daryl’s beeing carrying in the time between end of season 3 and when we catch up with the group again in the start of 4th season. Do you see Daryl going delusional or dictatorial? Mad? Disrespectful towards anyone, even those he’s less attached, the Woodburyans? Nope. You see him beeing respected, and also beeing respectful towards everyone, and very respectfull towards the Council. The truth is some have it in them, some don’t. And some loose it along the way. Rick lost it some point along the way.

            Just to end the issue, Carol, if she killed those 2 people, she made it to prevent the risk of an outbrake. Unfortunatelly that wasn’t already enough, because healthy people continued in the confined and infected D cell’s block. That was the problem, the infection was in the facility, not in the people. Soo, continuing in the same space eventually put everybody that was “living” there sick.
            If they were moved to another space, and with the already confirmed infected mantained in restricted area, the things would have gone in other direction. But stopping with predictions, going to the reality, if Carol killed 2 infected people and the flu didn’t spread, by now everyone would be speeking how amazing and brave she was. See the red thin line? Beast or beastly.

            And Rick also took his decision alone. I resaw Internment yesterday and back to the prison Rick went to the sick ward and talked to Hershel through the glass what he have done to Carol. Why didn’t he used the same glass to question Hershel, to ask is opinion, but before he took the car and really did it?! Ah? He acused Carol of taking one decision alone, he did exactly the same. And was in position of at least consulting one member of the Council. He DID NOT!
            See the thin line, again? Beast or beastly.

            In my opinion Rick was never beastly but for sure he is now a beast.
            Some loose it along the way, he lost it.
            You decide if you change the world or if you let the world to change you. He allowed it. Some didn’t. And allowed even a fucked up world to make of them better people. Daryl, even Merle in the end, for example.

            Evolve or revolve.
            My opinion. Period.

          • Dewey Brannon November 24, 2013 at 3:24 pm

            I actually see the council making decisions. I see Daryl like as he is, the man who knows everybody because he finds everybody. Daryl’s like the group handyman. He does it all, and can lead when called upon. As he has done, but notice, he doesn’t want to lead. He has offered Rick to take it back when ready. He knows it would break him if he were to have to do it all the time. I am all pro Daryl, and yes, he is an excellent leader. But in this world, every leader will crack at some point, the thing is to not break. Rick has cracked plenty, but he has never been broken. Closest he came obviously is Lori’s death.

            As for Carol, we can argue all day what she did. Had she contained it, no, she is still a monster. Nobody would praise her. She would have killed Karen and David, not the sickness. So, had it been contained, we would have 4 who got sick, one who was locked in his cell, Patrick who caused the first huge disturbance, Karen, and David, the 2 who were murdered. Karen and David didn’t even get a chance, at least Carol gets to keep trying to live. Not Karen or David, Carol took that choice from them, and those closest to them. They could have been outcast as well. And as for containment. After they first realized of the sickness, everyone was moved from D block. The infected were moved to A block, or death row. Eventually, everyone in D block wound up there, it was to late, it had already spread. Excuse me, almost everyone. It seems Lizzie’s sister isn’t sick and she was in D block. So, they must have been moved. We even see Carl in the offices area of the prison, so we know people were moved. I agree, let’s not argue Carol, it’s all opinion. But what you are telling me is that when there is no government to enforce laws, the respect of human rights, and we want to take it on ourselves to justify who lives and who dies. So now, if you get sick, fuck you, you are a burden, and could cause everyone to get sick. Or do we go backwards to the Middle Ages, to what happened if you had the Black Plague. Or do we do the best of our ability to ensure human survival as well as humane survival.

            And yea, Rick did not ask either. I agree, he was wrong, but at least Carol is still alive, or has that fighting chance that was taken from those she did wrong to. And he even said, I’m doing it for me and mine. He made the decision while they were gone. He was only considering g it before they left. Carol talked him into it.

            But yes, we all have our on opinion, and our on perceptions of what was said, how it was said, and what was meant by it all. So in essence, nobody is wrong, it is just a difference of opinion. But in my opinion, the thing missed in this show is what is lost and what is becoming lost. Civilization is lost. The system of hospitals, education, work, sports, it has all broken down in this out break. And in doing so, humanity has weakened. At first it was prolly just looting and violence, people taking valuables. Then as it progressed, people realized what has become valuable, and started looting for necessities in order to survive. But the sight is lost that you are trying to save yourself while the human race has taken a significant hit, and is on the verge of extinction. So, people fight each other over living rather then surfing together. Forming new systems. Ways to prevent outbreaks, to contain people who may die and turn in the middle of the night. To create new civilization, without the cost of humanity. It’s a harsh world, but this world has always been harsh. Walkers are just an excuse for letting go of it all.

  19. Snafu November 17, 2013 at 7:29 pm - Reply
  20. Stephanie Walters November 17, 2013 at 7:35 pm - Reply

    Although, I love to give people the benefit of the doubt and believe people can change, I am afraid the Governor isn’t one of them. I love to hate him, and ya gotta love the fact that he is having “relations” all the time. Hmmm… Something about a bad boy that always attracts the ladies.

  21. Chris Bigger November 17, 2013 at 7:35 pm - Reply

    Would have been funny if the governor said his name was Nick Fury

  22. Lisa Ann-gauthier Shaw November 17, 2013 at 7:36 pm - Reply

    been waiting for the Governor to make his way back into the scene, but I didnt expect this. Thought revenge was going to take place with him at the prison, not compassion and the will to help others… I actually thought maybe Carrol would stumble upon him…lol…. Im aslo waiting for the day he comes Face to Face with Rick again.. only disappointment was, my favorite, DARYL did not appear, and only briefly at the end of the last episode… very disappointing… ive liked him since his appearance in Blade and Boone Docks Saints… Great Actor!!!

    • Marisa November 18, 2013 at 5:02 pm - Reply

      Daryl, Carol and Hershel are my favourites from Team Prison but I really liked this episode. Someone here said that we began right away hating the Governor. But the reallity is that we don’t know a lot from him, his past, before beeing the leader in Woodbury, beside that his family is dead. We don’t know if Rick in the future won’t be like the Governor back in the times of Woodbury. The path seems the same. But the Governor walked more in it then Rick so far. Because Rick still has people he loves depending on him, his remain family, that are preventing him from going more along and more faster in the psycho path. The Governor did it all, step by step. Now he seems to want a discret way of life, kinda walking his on purgatory while he goes alone throught the roads of the zombie apocalipse. I think he his punishing himself every day (that refuse in eating a propper meal after all that time on the road). A search for some kind of redemption.
      Now he found a new family to hold on and protect, and he clearly sees in Meghan one opportunity to save one Penny. Not His Penny but a little girl that could be her. And since he wasn’t able to prevent Penny to die and become a walker, he sees Meghan as his second change and I think he would be able to do anything to keep her and the rest of the family safe. They are his second chance. And we saw him doing only good things but I think if he’s pressured by the circunstances, he’ll do even bad things to protect them all. He walked the all path. And got to the very beggining, even behind Rick’s on the journey. Rick’s has lost friends, wife, and made good but also bad decisions to keep them safe. By now he’s doing almost wrong decisions, he’s walking on the Governor’s shoes, wait till he starts keeping heads as trophies. Lol And the Governor is walking in Rick’s shoes. And he might stumble ahead. I recall him saying back in Woodbury that if he was like the Governor once the zombie apocalipse started, if he had the skills, the fast trigger, Penny would still be alive. So, if pressured, he might have to became again the Governor, for the sake of those he now protects. Very good episode, very good indeed! Was kinda liberating, since I like Team Prison a lot but I can’t stand the character Rick anymore, his flipps into and out’of the leadership, the double standards, the delusional personality, the discussions inside his head that we have to hear, the deceitful attitudes towards Carol, who did anything for his kids, as they were hers, that praticed on zombie female corpses uncountless c sections to help Lori through the birth of Judith. Worst, the deceitful attitudes towards the person who respects him the most, Daryl. Shipped away his very close female “friend” without even waiting for him to come back to the prison and explain him all the situation. Really liked this new perspective on the Governor “Brian”.!

  23. Joe Klein November 17, 2013 at 7:42 pm - Reply

    Does anybody know if everybody is dead or we just didn’t seem them this episode????

  24. Chris Bigger November 17, 2013 at 7:42 pm - Reply
  25. Guest November 17, 2013 at 7:43 pm - Reply

    Dot get to see it till Friday!!! 🙁 CANT WAIT x

  26. chloe rodell November 17, 2013 at 7:58 pm - Reply

    What do you think the govenor will do if he sees Rick or even Machone????

  27. Chris Bigger November 17, 2013 at 8:04 pm - Reply

    My heart goes out to Chris Hardwick and his family.

  28. Alex Fernandez November 17, 2013 at 8:10 pm - Reply

    wow that one geek from WoodsBury was right about having another side, too bad the Gov did him in.

  29. dustin rogers November 17, 2013 at 9:22 pm - Reply

    All I could think of during the scene when the Governor first meets the girls in the apartment is what Merle said in S:3 “Oh, who ain’t had a gun on them in the past year, huh? Show of hands y’all? Anybody? Shupert? Rolley? Y’ALL HAD A GUN ON Y’ALL. HELL, I THINK I WOULD PISS MY PANTS IF SOME STRANGER CAME UP WITH HIS MITTS IN HIS POCKETS. THAT’D BE THE SON OF A BITCH YOU WOULD REALLY WANT TO BE SCARED OF.”

    For me that quote for S:2 summed up what the Governor has become this season. For me when he just points his weapon up after they opened the door. They opened the door to a son of a bitch who has his mitts in his pockets.

  30. Rafael Ponce De Leon November 17, 2013 at 9:25 pm - Reply

    Is he bad still I hope they read it aloud

  31. dustin rogers November 17, 2013 at 9:33 pm - Reply

    All I could think of during the scene when the Governor first meets the girls in the apartment is what Merle said in S:3 “Oh, who ain’t had a gun on them in the past year, huh? Show of hands y’all? Anybody? Shupert? Rolley? Y’ALL HAD A GUN ON Y’ALL. HELL, I THINK I WOULD PISS MY PANTS IF SOME STRANGER CAME UP WITH HIS MITTS IN HIS POCKETS. THAT’D BE THE SON OF A BITCH YOU WOULD REALLY WANT TO BE SCARED OF.”

    For me that quote for S:2 summed up what the Governor has become this season. For me when he just points his weapon up after they opened the door. They opened the door to a son of a bitch who has his mitts in his pockets.

  32. Josh Capella November 17, 2013 at 10:36 pm - Reply

    Very impressed to see this side of the governor, I really liked it watched it twice now.

  33. Tillie November 17, 2013 at 10:41 pm - Reply

    Oh look it’s just like season 3. The Governor has even got himself a new Andrea. And next week is more of the same. Yawn.

  34. Mary Andreorio November 17, 2013 at 11:11 pm - Reply

    Awesome twisted episode!! The most hated evil governor turned *good* .. which would be interesting to see what happens with confrontations with Rick, Michonne, and Daryll next.

    And Prayers to Chris Hardwick and his family for the loss of his dad. 🙁

  35. Bastet November 18, 2013 at 4:33 am - Reply

    I think it would have been a better episode for me, had I not read The Rise of the Governor. It’s the timeline thing. At this point in the show, I don’t see that other half of The Governor–the good part left in him–being able to surface and become the dominant one for a while. I thought he was well past that point. I hope the show doesn’t set him up to be a good guy more so than the bad, in hopes that we’ll have sympathy for him when he’s killed off. That’s not who this guy was meant to be! Still, it’s the show, not the comics/books..I know. As far as eps go and for the whole show, this one has been the most disappointing for me.

  36. Hayes Tim November 18, 2013 at 8:27 am - Reply

    Mehh. You guys trying to show that the Gov has a heart? We know he does, he has it in a jar by his tent.

  37. Ricardo Colombo November 18, 2013 at 10:00 am - Reply

    What do you think was more emotionally scarring for Megan: the Governor skull squashing gramps with his oxygen tank, or the Governor making out with mommy right next to her in the truck?

    Not having read anything comic or novel-wise, I’m extremely interested in how he interacts with Martinez now that they’ve run into each other again. Has he truly turned a new leaf on his life? Will he allow his new group to interact with the people that truly know his monstrous side, basically making himself come clean about his true identity and letting the chips fall where they may?

    I agree with Stephanie, however, once a psycho, always a psycho. I think he purposely avoided the family because he didn’t want to fall into the trap of being relied upon because of how he’s dealt with leading and protecting people in the past (an interesting light side/dark side comparison to Rick). But, now that he’s in that role again, I feel he’ll be fall right back into doing all the evil things he does to “protect” his group. I don’t think Martinez is long for this earth, haha.

  38. Russell Boyd November 18, 2013 at 11:44 am - Reply

    Yeah. Okay. You’ve changed your stripes. Uh-huh. Yep. Riiiiighhht…

    Nope! Big tall glass of Nope!

  39. Dewey Brannon November 18, 2013 at 3:02 pm - Reply

    I have yet to watch this episode again yet, but I will, and will be back to post more. Just wanted to get on here as early as I could to get my post in and try to get me that nifty shirt. Don’t even know who won last 2 weeks.

    This episode was awesome. What I find somewhat irritating is we began hating the Governor before we knew him. We only hated him due to our views from the comics. Yes, we get the sense all along that something is not right. But last night’s episode showed a broken man. We see that he is lost. His actions against the Woodbury army were a reaction, he just snapped. Until now, we always believed he was angry and did it because he wanted to. We see now that the pressures of everything got to him. That this world broke him. Even though he burns his past(the photo, Woodbury), we can see that he is attempting to move past his demons.

    • Marisa November 18, 2013 at 5:14 pm - Reply

      To maintain his safety and the safety of his second chance family. Not everyone gets a second chance, so let’s see and hope for this new aproach of the Governor to life to be enough. A major threat is outhere, that flu, different groups may have to bond to help for each other from that major threat. Would the Governor and his little new group, maybe next episode aglutineted into Martinez big group or in confrontation with it, bond to Team Prison, and the Team Prison with the Governor, with all those unfinished issues in the middle, for the greater good of both groups? That would be interesting to see.

      • Dewey Brannon November 18, 2013 at 8:08 pm - Reply

        I’m curious, to what are you referring his maintaining his safety and his second family’s safety. I was more or less referring to the beginning up until the point he found his second family. Before that, he was a shell of a man, of a human being. He just ambled around like the walkers. Even just barely avoiding one out of instinct rather then desire. His actions at the end of season 3 weren’t his intentions. He was angry, depressed about the 2nd loss of his daughter, how he had gained control, but was slowly losing it, and he just snapped. We begin this episode with that man, sitting, staring at the fire as a walker approaches, and he doesn’t move, doesn’t flinch. And when he finds civilization, he distances himself. Only after helping a sick old man and having a conversation with a curious young girl does he open up. A little girl who reminds us and the Governor of his daughter, Penny. Maybe he sees it as his second chance with his daughter, maybe he sees it as a second chance to rebuild and become a leader, or maybe he sees it as a means to an end. Right now, one can only go with what we have seen, and that isn’t much, except that he has become a shell of the man he once was, and that there is a fire somewhere still inside.

        On a side note, loved how they took the excerpts from the novel with the family. Thought tho, what’s the last name, because in the Comics and novels, the Governor was killed by a Lilly. And he got frisky with a Lilly. Coincidence, or fate?

        Also, could the Governor turn evil again because Michinne won’t let up and at some point he and maybe Martinez recognize her as she is riding horse back in search?

        • Marisa November 19, 2013 at 8:30 am - Reply

          I never red the comics, so I don’t have a plot already drawn in front of me. But I really prefer that way, so when the course of things isn’t what I was expecting I only get disapointed with the TV show and not with both TV show and Comics.
          I agreee with you, it’s to soon to make predictions, but in that pit with the walkers we could see the Governor still has one spark inside of him, he really went into Beast Mode, for the sake of Meghan and himself. For those who said he was a coward and was only able to give orders and when needed hiding behind his three front men, first Merle, Martinez and Shumpert, after, only Martinez and Shumpert, I say you are mistaken. The guy can go wild and sure doesn’t need bodyguards. He survived alone for several months, only few are capable to do that in suck a fucked up and dangerous world.

          Let’s wait and see. I think he’s going to try some kind of aproach to the prison, but maybe not the one initially we all expected. Like I said in my earlier post. Some kinda of agreement, for the sake of all, for a period of time.
          But whatever happens, I don’t see the issue Governor-Daryl-Michonne be handled without some casualty involved, sooner or later. He burned Woodbury, he burned his first family photo, kinda leaving that terrible and painful past with Penny behind. But if he sees Michonne (his personal issue is with Michonne, not Daryl) I think he won’t be as peaceful as he has been so far in 4th season. Some part of his dark side will rise. And most of all, sure sure both determined and stubborn minds of Daryl and Michonne won’t let the issue get cold once they put eyes in the Governor.
          No possible peaceful solution on this matter, in longs terms. In short terms things maybe could be delt with, but not in long terms, for sure.
          Let’s wait and see, as you said.

          • Dewey Brannon November 19, 2013 at 10:02 am

            That’s all cool, not everyone reads the comics. Or the novels. But they are two different entities. Only something’s will tie in and cross over. What they decide to bring and what they don’t is speculation. It’s all how you wanna feel about them. I, for one, don’t cross the two. In one world, we have comic Rick, and another has TV Rick. It is what it is, but if something happens in the show that doesn’t happen in the comics, excellent, they made their own original plot. And if something from the comics crosses over, excellent, the are referencing the original plot, the original idea. I don’t find it as a spoiler, so if I spoiled anything, as was mentioned above, I apologize.

            I never called him a coward. I feel he was what he felt he was, a leader, and a leader has muscle. He just flexed it with his bodyguards. I mean, of course he could survive alone. Where was he before Wooodbury. I am gonna say alone, or with Penny til he couldn’t protect her. Then, he kept her his secret. He wasn’t so much surviving at the beginning at the episode, as much as he was just carrying on to carry on. I mean, alone may be the best way to survive for a time. Nobody to fight with and kill you, less attraction of walkers then a group. It’s like he just didn’t give a shit anymore. I again reference the walker he just dodged. He could have done more to avoid it. Instead he made it a close call. As we have seen, a close call can also lead to a big mistake.

            I won’t deny, I’m uncertain what his intentions at the Prison are. How long has he been just outside? Does he have a man inside that was picked up by our group? What happens between him and Martinez? Could it possibly what I stated above, that Michonne’s inability to let up fuels the Governor? Or will Brian Heriot seek refuge at the prison? Did his new group get sick? Will he even be allowed into this group? Or will his past still haunt him and he is alone forever? All I can truly comment own is the state of his mind from last season to this season, and what I have seen so far. And all I know, is he was a shell of a man, but seeing Meghan, an image of Penny, he got up, and went inside. And there, he found his fire.

            Truth be told, if you wanna throw out the comics and just go with the show, it’s all good. But then you can’t hate the Governor at the start. I mean, I can only go with what I am given, and there are things that made him terrible, yes, but when people are okay with Carol’s actions, why can’t they be okay with the Governor. His first misstep we know of, he kills the helicopter pilot and the guys they were supposed to meet up with. Bad, yes, but as we all tend to know, military, government, wants the control. And he wasn’t willing to relinquish it, and he knew these men had training, experience, and all fell in line with their leader. He just could not have it. Then, his next fault, Maggie and Glenn. And this was due to Merle. And the shame being, what ALL did Merle tell him about our group. They did leave him in a roof to cut off his on hand. Merle coulda made our group seem ruthless. I wish if anything I could see one episode, one glimpse of the Governor as he was before Woodbury. That would explain a lot. But instead, I see the man he has become, after he has truly lost all, and is holding on to one thing, Penny, that will never be as he hopes for. When that is taken from him, nothing else mattered but his revenge, and he destroyed everything he built for that, everyone else’s lives because he couldn’t let go. He has shown he is trying to let go, but again, Meghan drawing him in shows a sign of that fire.

          • Bastet November 19, 2013 at 11:10 am

            Apology duly noted on the spoiler. You’re right about the tie-ins and the show and reading don’t necessarily run parallel. I was just thinking of us readers who haven’t finished reading. I’ve been trying to coincide my reading with the show and it’s no easy task!

            You make excellent points here, BTW! Like you, I do wish there was some reflection on The Gov’s pre apocalypse life in the show. I do, however, feel that he has certainly done some things in the show deserving of hate.

            Nice POV!

          • Dewey Brannon November 19, 2013 at 12:20 pm

            It’s not like Game of Thrones, where almost every instance is from the book, with the exception of a few details. It’s more a alternate universe. I think it would be even kinda cool to do a full length feature film of the comics, with its intense graphic nature. Maybe either get the actors to play their alternate comic selves, or new actors. It’s just so much more in the comic that the TV isn’t allowed to show. But yea, you can’t make them the same. Just cause (spoiler, tho I already spoiled it) he ends up dying in the book, doesn’t mean he has to die in the show. Ex. Andrea is still kicking in the books, but not in the show. Or how Sophia is dead in the show, but not in the books. The only constants, are the world is falling apart from a zombie apocalypse, the setting is in Atlanta, Georgia and surrounding areas, and character names. We can reference the books as the inspiration for something the show does, but that’s it. It doesn’t mean the show will even consider it, or ever did

          • Bastet November 20, 2013 at 3:57 am

            OK, Andrea & Sophia are still alive in the books…thanks.

          • Dewey Brannon November 20, 2013 at 9:19 am

            My fault again, tho alive doesn’t really spoil anything in my opinion. It would have had I told you who was dead, that is still kicking in the show. Now I’m paranoid to say anything, spoiler, but did you know Daryl wasn’t in the comics, at least not yet. Who knows what Kirkman may do. I hate if that spoiled it, but it’s the way it is. I shouldn’t mention things from the comics that could spoil them, but it gets difficult. 3 weeks ago I referenced the sisters seeming irrily similar to the twins from the comic. I don’t mean to spoil anything, nor do I like to. But when talking about them, again, I see them as 2 seperate universes. And to discuss one, I must reference the other.

            I don’t get how people jumped on the show and get mad at those of us who were 10 years prior reading the comics and books. Maybe not 10, but still. I’ll try to do better about not letting on, but it would seem easier just to read the books to see the difference. This world is pussy cat compared to the comics.

            Yes, that idea would be kinda cool, but it doesn’t matter who they were before, only who they are now. My reason for the Governor is we don’t know how he became the man he is now. Everyone else, or almost everyone else, we have had since the outbreak, or shortly there after when Rick awakens. At least in the comics, we get who the Governor was, and in the novels, a sense before he became the Governor, and a better perspective.

          • Bastet November 20, 2013 at 9:56 am

            I recall reading where you mentioned the boys, a little different than talking about living/dying. Don’t be paranoid about posting…I’ve enjoyed reading you! I would just be a little more vague when you have to reference the comics/books. And please don’t think I’m mad…I’m not a comic book reader but had I known what I was missing, I would have been on board 10 years back myself! As it is, this sort of thing is so difficult for me, being that I love looking online and not willing to give up internet, I’m thinking about just reading on full speed ahead to get caught up.

            Oh, and I’m no Super Daryl Fan but I think damn near everybody else is and knows he wasn’t written in the comics. So maybe that’s not really a spoiler. Nice try…Lol!

          • Marisa November 19, 2013 at 1:04 pm

            I was not talking about you on that coward thing. I was refering to some comments I red on the web, not here.

      • Bastet November 19, 2013 at 6:28 am - Reply

        Spoiler alert below for readers!

        • Dewey Brannon November 19, 2013 at 10:03 am - Reply

          Spoiler? The book part? Not sure what I spoiled.

          • Bastet November 19, 2013 at 10:55 am

            I say that because some people may have started reading the comics but not caught up to that point(I’m one)…and the novel came out recently, so maybe someone’s in the middle of reading it (me again); there’s a second part of the novel, due out in March and maybe this is where we can read about The Gov’s demise. So the spoilers would apply for readers, not the show.

  40. Chucky Ree November 18, 2013 at 6:32 pm - Reply

    The Governor tapped into his inner Jesus with the whole beard and longish hair…I thought this episode was boring but good in the storytelling sense…

  41. Jeannie Tucker November 18, 2013 at 7:32 pm - Reply

    David is a magnificant actor! Keep doing whatever is is you do that’s makes walking dead my favorite show. All the actors are ..were magnificant. Still hoping to see Lori come back

    • Marisa November 19, 2013 at 1:13 pm - Reply

      Lori, the annoying Lori? Whowww, nightmares.

      • Bastet November 20, 2013 at 12:23 pm - Reply

        Lori…ugh…the best walker food in the whole show! It only hurt to see Rick’s reaction & Carol’s, when she realized Lori was gone.

        • Marisa November 20, 2013 at 1:14 pm - Reply

          Really. I don’t like Rick character a bit nowdays but that reaction was brilliant for the actor who plays him, Andrew Lincoln; And Carol, poor Carol, practicing c sections on female walkers to help Lori giving birth and then bummm, “a killer within” send all to hell.

          • Bastet November 20, 2013 at 2:56 pm

            I didn’t care for delusional Rick or farmer Rick, but now that he’s strapped that belt on & picked up that big Python, I’m a little more tuned in. There’s a certain look Andrew Lincoln can give when he’s got his finger on or near the trigger that is so awesome!

          • Marisa November 20, 2013 at 5:19 pm

            I don’t give a fuck (pardon, Mm) for Rick. But if his character is going the wrong path it’s only due to the writers and the script they give to him. He said in an interview if he was in some way upset with the fact of the Governor having the soo much discussed 2 stand alone episodes. He said he had the script and was going to serve his character, by the script given, the best he could. He’s not a bad actor, no he’s not. That I agree. But the writers are pulling in a way not good for Rick, not even good for the actor and at last, not good for the show. Yeahh, he gives a strange look, handling the gun, if pulling that trigger his a relief of some kind of feeling, different acording to the situations involved. When a person lerans to shoot, the trigger has power, you know? That look, like when he was shooting Sophia, front to front, we can say it was a powerful merciful shot. When he gave Thomas the axe, was a lesson, well learned, in fact. Muahahah The looks he gives Michonne are shoots whit no gun powder. Only sparks, ahahahah you see what I mean? I also saw at you meant. A good actor gives every detail something, a meaning. He’s a very good actor and he certainly he’s serving his role the best he can. But I really don’t like the way the character Rick is heading and if he continues developing in that way, and giving orders, and starts again being a leader, wacko one of course, and they bring carol back home, I will stop watching TWD. I wait till mid season, then if the problem Rick continues and Carol isn’t back in big style (in the back of Daryl’s bike, just perfect!), fuck you, TWD. Serious.

  42. DYKWIA November 18, 2013 at 9:11 pm - Reply

    At the beginning, he is at a fire with his last guys from Woodbury. Then it shows him getting out of a tent and being the only one there.

    At some point, did his guys abandon him in the middle of the night?

  43. Tim Bardtke November 19, 2013 at 7:06 am - Reply

    this episode is very drama the governor look like very good man when he help the family

  44. Karen November 19, 2013 at 10:49 pm - Reply

    This episode of TWD was very creepy, but I liked it. :]

  45. Felix Mitchell November 21, 2013 at 8:47 am - Reply

    I hate how they make you feel bad for the Governor! In the mid-season 3 finale, Michonne had his daughter and right away he put his hands up, took his belt off, and said, “Please. Don’t hurt my little girl.” Then in this episode he did brutal things to protect Meghan. I hope he does something evil to make me hate him again lol

  46. Todd Christie November 24, 2013 at 7:07 am - Reply

    Curious to see how Martinez reacts to Governor 2.0, especially when he sees how Tara, Lily and Megan look up to him (and call him David). Martinez ditched him when he became a liability, apparently broken beyond repair. Will he accept him and his new persona, or blow his cover? Will Gov 2.0 join forces with his former Lt. to provide safety to his new crew, or avoid him fearing moral relapse?

  47. Kirby Hall November 24, 2013 at 5:33 pm - Reply

    Something I thought I would have seen by now;Many dog treats are made with all natural human ingredeants.

  48. Truckie 117 November 24, 2013 at 6:28 pm - Reply
  49. Matthew Price November 24, 2013 at 7:21 pm - Reply

    the water the water the water! Is that walker (Pete) at the bottom of the lake infecting the water that those at the prison are drinking (hence the prison infection)? There seems to be a lot of emphasis on the water in the episodes so far.

  50. Mindy Kentch-Reed November 24, 2013 at 7:59 pm - Reply

    How do I post a dead yourself picture?

  51. danny November 24, 2013 at 10:17 pm - Reply

    I think the governor and his group should fight and take over the prison. He clearly knows what it takes to survive.

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