Carol struggles a lot this episode in balancing the person she used to be with the (sometimes) murderous person she’s become. She starts the episode by playing the former version of herself by distributing cookies (while Poor Old Shine’s “Weeds or Wildflowers” plays in the background) to everyone in Alexandria. Rick and the gang return to town and Morgan confronts Carol about their fight, which she says to leave in the past.
Rick gathers everyone in town into the church sanctuary and catches them up on The Hilltop situation. He proposes they fight The Saviors to ensure their safety and survival. Morgan questions the morality of killing a group of strangers and pleads they speak with the Saviors first. Rick decides they’ll kill the Saviors instead and demands Alexandria accept it.
Carol updates her murder journal while Maggie convinces Glenn she must be a part of the plan. Later that night, Carol smokes with Tobin on his porch and they share a romantic moment. Meanwhile, Abraham informs Rosita he’s leaving her. JUST like in the comics, Abe explains, “When I first met you I thought you were the last woman on Earth…you’re not.” (Ouch). Tara tells Denise she loves her and Denise says she’ll reciprocate when Tara returns. Andy from The Hilltop draws up a blueprint of the Savior compound and suggests they take out the Saviors while they sleep and raid their armory. Rick hatches a plan to give them Gregory’s head.
Rick and the gang drive out of Alexandria and split up on foot to find a walker who resembles Gregory. Rosita approaches Carol about not exposing Morgan’s hypocrisy in the church earlier. Glenn and Heath find and kill a Gregory doppelgänger and Rick goes over the midnight plan again. “This is how we eat,” he justifies. Carol scolds Rick for allowing Maggie to come along and demands she stay back with her. Rick examines the potential Gregory heads and PUNCHES one of them repeatedly to get the nose right.
The plan begins. Andy drives up to the Savior compound and shows the Savior guards “Gregory’s” head. They buy it and promise to return Craig. Savior 2 leaves while Daryl slits Savior 1’s throat from behind. Savior 2 emerges from the compound with Craig and Michonne stabs HIM from behind. The gang enters the compound and searches for the arsenal. They begin murdering sleeping Saviors one by one.
A Savior ambushes Abraham and Sasha quickly takes him out. In his dying breath he pulls the fire alarm. Maggie hears it outside and tries to help but Carol stops her, “You’re supposed to be someone else. You are staying here.” Andy drives Craig back to the Hilltop as Jesus prepares for battle. Inside the compound, Rick shoots down a group of Saviors and makes a B-line to the armory. All of the Saviors are now awake and doing their best to kill Rick’s group.
Glenn and Heath get trapped in the armory and use the guns inside to mow down the Saviors on the opposite side of the door. Jesus arrives and takes out the last one. Father Gabriel starts spitting Bible verses to a downed Savior before he (FINALLY) puts him down for good. The next morning (morning?) the gang emerges outside (to Hozier’s “Arsonist’s Lullaby)” where a remaining Savior rides out of the compound on (Daryl’s) motorcycle. Sasha shoots him off, Daryl tackles him and Rick points his gun at him. “Lower your gun, prick,” a woman on the Savior’s Walkie Talkie demands. She tells everyone to lower their weapons and says, “We have a Carol and a Maggie.”
Us comic readers no what the Polaroids were… And it made me cringe.
Great episode. This season has been phenomenal.
Those pictures were definitely chilling. Who do you think will get that treatment?
I feel like making Glenn look at the pictures was just to make us cringe and go “Oh no! They’re gonna kill him!” It seems too obvious, so Negan will probably get someone else.
I thought the same!!!! But, I don’t think it is sth obvious, Glenn has been avoiding death since season 1 so, maybe it is his time to go…
It will be between Daryl and Glenn. Sorry people, but take Daryl. Obviously by my name I love Glenn. They keep tossing hints at Glenn’s Lucille death, but they also throw hints Daryl’s way. Like his bike and bow being taken away was stripping him of his armor and when the bikers attacked, Daryl was stabbed by one of them, and it was right in his wing (of his vest). People look to Daryl as a savior (Not that kind of Savior) or like a guardian angel, and I think this angel is about the lose his wings.
Do you think Tara is going to die? I saw the Kirkman was originally going to kill Glenn in issue 75 which was when he was on a run with Heath and had to climb a rope or something. I personally think that same scene will go down, but Tara will fall and die. She did promise to return to Denise and Denise would regret not saying she loved her.
I think Tara will play Holly’s role when it comes to All Out War. (Driving the truck into Negan’s compound, getting captured and beheaded) or at least something similar,since the show isn’t EXACTLY like the comics
So much guessing… it hurts. Tara could get Holly treatment, but Francine could also since she is basically Holly’s replacement.
Definitely chilling. The writing was literally on the wall in those polaroids. Even if it’s not Glenn, I have no doubt it will be a main character. Daryl gets my predictive vote. I don’t want to say that it was “nice” to see those pictures (’cause that makes me sound like a sadist), but it is nice to see that Lucille has been getting her fill and that she will soon need to be sated again. I am glad they seem to be following the source material so far with Negan’s character.
In a few words Ricks plan was BAD ASS & “NECESSARY!!”…..Not now but RIGHT NOW yes today they live back in a primal world that it is survival of the fittest survival is “Necessary by any means necessary”
Could you notice Glenn having a deep look to the pictures on the wall? Is this a clue? Is glenn going to suffer the lucille treatment? Maybe they did it in that way so as we could compare the series with glenn’s comic death. I don’t know, we will have to wait… I heard a lot of comments saying daryl is going to die by Negan, hope it is a lie! Amazing episode!
No… God no… noooooooooo
F my life. Did anyone else just feel weak or sick when Glenn killed those guys? Damn that was kind of sad. He just lost a part of himself. I’m starting to get a weird feeling that what happened to Holly in the comics is going to happen to Maggie or Carol. If you remember, Holly gets kidnapped by the Saviors and kept hostage, until she is given back with a sack over her head, but she is a walker and our group doesn’t know. Then she bites Denise, which kills her later. I hope throughout this All Out War era, that they aren’t kept prisoner, because then I’ll be left anxious wondering.
I thought there at the end people were going to look over that white wall by the cars like at Terminus. And then they would see Negan walk in with Lucille, put them in a line, and then end the episode.
Question Time: Who do you think the Savior Women (kidnappers) are? (If they are from the comics)
He definitely lost his innocence which is what makes the character. But there was a little upside. I loved the fact that he saved Heath from having the same burden. He’s such a great guy.
That is true. Glenn is a good person either way.
This was such a great episode. I loved that Carol spends her free time making cookies and takes the time to deliver one to Sam’s grave. Even though the kid want made for this world, I liked the character, Particularly his relationship with Carol.
Father Gabriel just became one of the most bad ass characters on the show. Watching him quite scripture before wasting that Savior was so bad ass. Amen.
Watching Abraham leave Rosita was pretty rough even though we knew it was only a matter of time.
The raid was extremely intense. I was nervous the entire time and was expecting Abraham to get a bolt in the eye.
As the series shifts genres and leaps into All Out War territory, things are going to become grim. Do you guys think All out War will be a full season, or just a half season?
A very unexpected ending to the episode as Maggie and Carol are taken hostage. Are they being led to Negan’s actual headquarters? (Was there a name for it? Can’t remember)
Was Morgan building a jail cell? If so, that is a very interesting take on the character. I feel as if Rick will dedicate the jailing of Negan to Morgan. Which is kind of beautiful, it makes a little more sense than having a random epiphany in the middle of a damn war.
I can’t wait to see Dwight again, hopefully he paid the price for running with an iron to his fuckin face.
Who gets bitten by the vampire bat Lucille? My bets are on Daryl. Despite all the rumors, it truly is the only character that you can kill and have the same emotional resonance as issue100.
The Sanctuary i think is Saviors base, every time Abraham is alone with someone else I think he is getting a bolt to the eye. I go Darryl the get smash, I like him and Glenn just feels to obvious now, this season is been about Glenn almost dying. But only Darryl or Glenn can make a emotional death from vampire bat Lucille.
And I dont know why but I fear for Tara getting the bolt and not Abraham, I know the probably wont change that moment but is something I though through the episode after the I love you to Dennise
I think Ab might still get the bolt, but it would be less dramatic. Tara may get it, but that means the same for everyone, who knows Morgan may even get it. I personally think Tara will get the Holly treatment rather than Francine (Holly’s replacement).
I Would think that all out war will be an entire season at least, with even a cliffhanger in the season finale into the next season. They should slow down, at this rate, one day they might catch up. I Wonder what that would be like, the show dictating the narrative over the comic for a change – gimple with the hostile takeover of corporate TWD!
I’m bumbed that glenn is only gonna get a few more episodes before his untimely end. The fuse has just been lite.
I just searched and found out that Greg Nicotero is directing the finale.. that is crazy. Usually when he directs, heading smashing gore happens… head smashing.
skybound accounts blow
Anyone else find it interesting that the dude escaping at the end was riding Daryl’s motorcycle? That must mean the man and woman who robbed him earlier this season are with the Saviors.
They were running from the saviors when they ran into Daryl.
That was dwight, one of negans lieutenants, of the saviors, and his wife that left him to be one of negans “wives” , he only wants ass that’s willing…. In order to make it right with negan, dwight must “face” the iron. & be forever loyal, of course never be with his wife ever again.
I’m thinking Morgan was building Negans jail cell and Morgan will be the one to get Lucilled. Which will cause Rick to decide to keep Negan alive.
I was thinking the same thing,especially considering the fact that he survived the events of No Way Out. I just hope he gets lined up with the group, it’s possible that he may not even be around when Negan finally appears. (Not dead, just hanging out at Alexandria because he refuses to murder.
I’m Hoping michonne with have to cut his arm off after a bite, or something like that…..
That makes perfect sense, but a little anticlimactic. A lot of people dislike Morgan, so I don’t think they would care as much.
CAROL is my vote for who gets the bat. But let’s get a poll going cuz I’d be curious to see the consensus.
Judging by the position she was in, during the sneak peak for next episode, I think she might get an iron to the face.
I don’t know about that. The iron thing is kind of a bit much just like that.
Bad plan to kill. That is not them, they are not just killers. Bad.
Congratulations, Rick. You took down a single outpost.
You can almost feel the cast and crew’s glee and excitement as they get this arc going.
I’m impressed they can find polaroid film btw.
That polaroid tease! I was surprised by Glenn killing everybody and Father Gabriel killing that dude too!
In my original post I was trying to keep away from mentioning Lucille and Glenn for those who watch the show but don’t read the comics. Now that that ship has sailed…..
I think we will see Negan the last episode. I agree it’s Glenn or Daryl. We will probably see Negan in the last 15 minutes, he’ll line them up and the season will end with someone’s brains bashed in. That leaves us in shock all summer long.
I think the entirety of next season, fall and spring, will be all out war.
It’s interesting because the show is rapidly catching up to the comics. Do we flash forward to the whisperers? Or does the show end? Interesting period of time.
I don’t think we jump straight into all out war, as we haven’t even met Ezekiel and (hopefully Shiva)
I just don’t know if they will go that route. If they do, Shiva won’t be in it.
Shiva will definitely be in it! I Hope so, so that they have another chance to describe more symptoms of the virus. Like how animals couldnt contract the virus. Or that a tiger could feed on the dead. Plus I really wanna see nicotero portray a zoo during the turn, the chaos & mayhem!!!
What makes you doubt they’ll use Shiva? Is it just too expensive to create a CGI tiger?
A CGI Tiger at the level of realism they would want or need would just take too much time. I had a hard time buying the Tiger in the comics. Sorry, but it was far fetched, even for a Zombie comic. Cool though it was, it was just odd.
If we get Ezekiel, then I want Dave Fennoy. He would be perfect. The whole tiger thing seems a bit impossible because of the expense and getting a real tiger is insane. Maybe they will just swap Shiva out with a “less dangerous” animal like a wolf, bear (Sure…), or just a dog… ohh a Mastiff or a Great Dane.
I saw somewhere that Dave Fennoy is going to be cast as Ezekiel, but I doubt it was a trustworthy source.
Yeah, I try to be sensitive to that with my posts too, but the ship has definitely sailed!
My bad guys, I’m new to discussion boards. I wasn’t clear on the etiquette and I will shy away from spoiling future events regarding the comic. I just assumed everyone here was up to speed,but I shouldn’t assume that considering this is a board for the TV show.
Welcome RickGrimes420! And it’s ok. They usually have a separate thread with more comics related content for us to ohh and ahh and speculate on. But if you throw a “COMIC SPOILER” at the top of your post anywhere I feel like you’re good to go! 😉
Sean you are totally right. I figure they have 2, maybe 3 seasons till they catch the comics. I hope they don’t make a bunch of wolf type groups to steal time and make the series last longer. Would seem like a waste of time, and will take the punch out of the next villian alpha. The wolves seems like a more watered down whisperer group. Just keep the show from getting too far away from the source material and you will stay on the ratings number 1 spot.
I wonder if when the time comes, they’ll go the game if thrones route? (Adapting kirkmans ideas for the end)
I truly hope not. I honestly can’t wait to see Rick face to face with Negan . It’s gonna be a monumental event.
I think you can commit an entire half season to the mystery of the whisperers. I remember reading that issue and seriously thinking that zombies had evolved to the point in which they can communicate with each other. Then revealing in the final episodes that their in fact people passing as walkers
I think based on Carol’s behavior during this episode; not wanting to give up her new identity to become her old bad ass self, that she is not long for the world. I can see her stepping in for Maggie or even Glenn. Having Glenn view the Lucille Gallery was a nice little touch, as was Jesus using the phrase “off the bat” last week when telling the crew that Negan killed one of the Hilltop-ites.
The two I think might be up for the next character death’s are Abraham (EVERY episide this season I was sure he was going to get that arrow) or Sasha.
Morgan building a cell for Negan, awesome though there RickGrimes! I wouldn’t have caught that but it sure fits.
Rosita… I hope she will be ok. I really felt for her. But it is probably Eugene’s dream come true.
I would think that if Glenn is destined for the Lucille treatment, we wont actually see him get it until next season. I can see this season ending with them in the eenie meanie minie moe selection process.
Next question, will be see the Kingdom any time soon?
Since we haven’t seen any casting news I don’t think we will see The Kingdom this season. But I hope next!
Do you think Eugene will finally realize that he can produce ammunition or is the television version not smart enough?
I really hope they introduce Shiva!! I desperately wanna see a zombie-mauling tiger.
I don’t feel like Negan would use hit bat and a woman. And I know a bunch of people are going to be like, “Wow… sexist,” but it’s true. He would kill a woman, but I don’t think he would be as brutal as to use Lucille on them. I can see Carol running the Hilltop in Maggie’s place, that would be interesting.
Another AWESOME Episode!!!
I don’t want Glenn to die. REALLY, I don’t… But I think he has to. Maggie has to lose him to propel her to the tough leader and fighter she is destined to be. And really… We don’t get to be a happy nuclear family when the world ends.
I find it interesting. The dynamics have changed from the comics. When Glenn died, Maggie punched Rick and called him a coward.
That can not play out this way. Maggie made the deal with Hilltop. Though the raid was Ricks idea, ultimately, Glenn’s blood would be on Maggie’s hands.
This is smart though, and I think this is really going to really add to Maggie’s story a lot.
I can’t wait to see it and I’m dreading it at the same time.
I think there have been far too many Glenn fake out’s. when he finally does meet his maker, I’m gonna be completely numb to it.
This is true, but I think Maggie would still hit Rick. She did make this whole plan, but it was Daryl and Rick would put it in motion before she talked to Gregory. I feel like if I was Maggie, I would just being blaming Rick because well… he’s Rick Grimes and wasn’t able to do a thing to save Glenn, no one was.
Loved this week’s episode! Might be in my top 5 favorites so far, I’ll definitely be re-watching it a few times this week. Couple side notes that I haven’t seen anyone else comment on yet: 1. Eugene, we need more Eugene!!! I love his little one liners and the lightness he brings to the show. And that Virginia is for Lovers shirt he was wearing when he ran into Rosita was hilarious. 2. Was that a cannabis grow room inside the saviors compound? Where is the power coming from to do that? Are DEA still raiding outdoor growers in the zombie apocalypse? I guess no one wants to risk getting zombifying weed… 3. I think they’re definitely teasing the Glenn/Lucille thing too much, but are they doing that because they want us to think it’s going to be him and pull the switch on us? Or might they be trying to set up a still shocking Glenn death by not remixing it? I don’t know what to think anymore, I’ve got no solid predictions on that one!
It kills me to think that Carol’s history as a victim of abuse is motivating her to some degree to keep her fight with Morgan a secret. Not buying her line of reasoning to Rosita at all.
And was it the moment when she shot the wolf and then immediately realized that he was actually helping Denise that pushed her over the edge to change?
This character has so much intense internal turmoil going on and I hope we get to see her come to a resolution and maybe get to enjoy some moments of happiness before we have to let her go.
Not ready! Carol has more cookies to bake and I’m hoping she gets to roll around with Tobin a bit before her time comes.
Sorry Daryl. Momma’s got needs.
Does anyone else think that maybe they return Carol with a knapsack over her head? (Walker Carol)
I left a comment about that too. It would be a pretty crazy thing to happen. I think Carol is going to be shot thou. That whole “mom” thing kind of set up Carol’s reaction to Maggie being there, which would make sense that later with the kidnappers, she does everything she can to get Maggie out and she dies in the process. I think Tara will survive until the knapsack situation and being the one who is in it (Or maybe Francine, since she is a replacement for Holly).
This blows, I love carols character so much. The most emotional moment for me, hands down, would have to be when the group finally gets reunited after the events of Terminus. I still get emotional watching that scene.
I love her too. She is one of the best characters on the show, but there are just to many strong people on Rick’s side right now. He has Glenn, Carol, Daryl, Abraham, Morgan, and so many others. When Negan shows up, Rick loses pretty much everyone.
I think Carol’s motivation in not telling everyone about Morgan is that she also made a mistake in the past (killing Karen & David). Although only a couple knew what she did, they’ve all moved on and left it in the past.
It seems as though maybe they only have Carol hostage. Hopefully they traded pregnant Maggie for the Savior.
That moment when you realize Rosita is Suzie Crabgrass from Ned’s Declassified School Survival Guide.
Or one of the HS girls in Twilight. My wife pointed that out.
I noticed that just this week. Thought that was her.
I’ve been in love with her since I was a kid lol
Just noticed during Rick’s speech when he says “Kill em all” Tara flinches. Such a good Governor callback.
Poor Tara. She’s been down this road before.
Well we’re starting to see parallels between the different leaders. Essentially they all just wanna protect their groups and it’s such a grey area when trying to figure out who the villains really are. It’s all a matter of perspective.
I would find it very interesting if the season finale fades out with someone getting their brains smashed in from a first person perspective, leaving us guessing who it was over the break.
I hope the show will eventually introduce Jeff Grimes
Why would they do that? He isn’t really an important character. Plus, how random would it be to find your brother states away alive?
Screaming at the TV the whole episode! So tense.
Gabriel is the all new badass!! Woohoo! Loved his bit.
I anticipate the loss of many old Survivors. With Jesus on deck an Gabriel stepping up I feel the Survivors are getting a freshening up. That said, I don’t know nothing. And, I love that.
These are the episodes I live for. Great episode.