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The Walking Dead 137 Discussion

Hey gang, not giving away anything about this issue just yet! I want you fresh! This is your space to plop yer thoughts down yonder! And I think there are going to be some very STRONG, VISCERAL reactions to this issue! I shall say no more until it’s out!!! Enjoy!

Oh yes, some comment, judged best by the completely biased and easily influenced Lizzy Iverson and by the steadfast and judgmental Brian Huntington (yours truly), will take home a Robert Kirkman signed copy of this issue!

UPDATE: We had to go with Dead666, who cheerily listed out all of the WTF moments in the issue (both good and bad). Congrats, you win a signed copy of an issue that might not be your favorite!



  1. xvshanevx February 10, 2015 at 8:09 pm - Reply

    I wonder what they mean by “something that the readers have requested happens”. OHHHHH SOMETHING CRAZY IS GOING TO HAPPEN!!! cant wait πŸ™‚

  2. MaximumParty February 10, 2015 at 8:30 pm - Reply

    Strong visceral reactions?!?! Are you fucking kidding me, i thought i was excited before! Im gonna have to go ahead and say one or both of those kids dont wake up and that really isnt gonna help the whole “just kill maggie” bit, im sure itll get out of hand quickly, cant wait to see if that spills into carls shit cause im sure theyll address lydia more too and id like to see how them whisperers turn out more than a little bit, all in all im pretty pumped up, also i thought maybe it came out today somehow when i saw the discussion title, tricked me again guys!

  3. Jmack February 10, 2015 at 9:12 pm - Reply

    Stoked to see a ‘Carl’ cover! It really shows his progression as this lil kid to almost a man! All in that one portrait of him. Also interesting to see him portrayed without his hat (as seen before) but I think its really cool to just see him, nothing covering his face, he’s for real this character that’s grown up in ink!!! Without his hat, without the shadow of his father… I think his age progression has been so cool to witness throughout all the issues. Theres this sense of Carl being his own indepent character. Also how’d you decide on that tank top? Ha! That’s a pretty hard choice.
    I dont know what’s gonna hap next, but I think it’s an important issue cause we are going to finally get this glimpse of what Carl could/is going to be in this world after being almost completely raised in it. I know we have had tid bits in the past but I think this issue is really going to set the stage for what kind of man Carl’s going to be. I’m stoked for that!! Whether it’s good or bad.

  4. Trivia February 10, 2015 at 9:53 pm - Reply

    That issue… Damn… Kirkman is taking some pretty big risks but I love the direction he is going in. I think that what happened with Lydia and Carl was a bit “too soon” but it was still surprising and makes me anxious to see what happens next. As for what happened with Maggie, Jesus better kill some bitches next issue. No way is Maggie dying with him around. Back to Lydia though, I have a feeling that the rushed nature of her “relationship” with Carl is because she is going to die and be a character development tool and nothing more. Its a shame since she is one of the most unique and interesting characters introduced in a long time. Its like she is just there to push Carl into manhood (quite literally). Also, some of the weird shit she said makes me think she will have a more villainous role. Its a shame since good people can have weird kinks too. She accepts Carl for who he is, including his appearance. I see it as nothing but a good thing, even if she expressed it in an odd way. I could theorize and over analyze her character to death, but the point is I like her and hope that all of my predictions are wrong. All of the cool characters tend to live long lives, and I hope that Lydia has the same luck. I don’t want her to be a one off character for this story arc, especially since she has made things so much more interesting. I love the comic right now, these next batch of issues may be as definitive as the Governor arc if they are done right. I’ve got my fingers crossed!

  5. jwcoombs February 11, 2015 at 4:14 am - Reply

    Issue #7 throwback-

    Contrary to popular belief, it’s looks like Carl has a little Lori in him after all. That, or he’s been hanging around Michonne too long. πŸ˜›

  6. jwcoombs February 11, 2015 at 4:15 am - Reply
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  8. Zimovskij February 11, 2015 at 8:10 am - Reply

    I have a physics test tomorrow. How the hell am I supposed to study after an issue like THAT!?

  9. revan772 February 11, 2015 at 8:52 am - Reply

    So… Carl says “I’m not going to let you hurt any of my people.” in which Lydia replies “I’m not going to try and hurt anyone.”
    Emphasis on “try”. Lydia seems confident. I trusted her until this issue, no way now.

    Other then that… wow. That ending… as much as I don’t trust Lydia I like her a whole lot more each an every issue.

  10. ocassie February 11, 2015 at 9:04 am - Reply

    Nothing says psycho like an empty eye socket lick. I don’t trust Lydia. At all. There’s something off with her. Also she needs to BACK OFF SOPHIA’S MAN!

    I refuse to believe Maggie is dead. I hope Jesus snaps and sticks his sword through Gregory’s gut.

  11. clikzip February 11, 2015 at 9:45 am - Reply

    Jesus is going to beat Gregorys ass for sure, also Lydia is obviously going to use Carl’s trust to escape and pass intel to the leader of the whisperers when the rest of them arrive. Cant wait for next issue! Confrontation has to be the arrival of the leader

  12. Tomas-002 February 11, 2015 at 9:50 am - Reply

    Plot twist: The whisperers leader is Lydia’s father. Next issue Carl shall have a family reunion with his new in-laws and he will bring some good ol’ wine from Gregory special wine collection. Carl kills Lydia’s dad and they both live happily ever after.

    On a side note, for GTA V fans: the “liquor hole” bar has radically changed its meaning from now on for me. Anyone else feeling the same?

  13. Neutral-Grey February 11, 2015 at 10:03 am - Reply


    I’m sorry, I get so excited for each new issue. Just, wow. Didn’t see that coming. Also, I fucking laughed out loud when Gregory is talking shit over Maggie because he thinks he’s on top of the world again and you see Jesus clearly in the back. Oh, Gregory you slimy little shit. You dun fucked up now.

  14. HeyImTanner February 11, 2015 at 10:07 am - Reply

    The wiki and the Letter Hacks says that #138 will be released next month but at the end of the issue it says February of 2015! DANGIT I NEED TO KNOW! Other than that, great issue with some unexpected twists. *High Fives Carl with Rick’s Missing Hand.

  15. Thiala February 11, 2015 at 10:24 am - Reply

    It was a pretty interesting issue! I have to wonder is Maggie dead or did Gregory put something in the wine that just made her pass out? Gregory just fucked up because either Jesus is going to kill him or Maggie will when and if she wakes up. Either way Gregory just fucked his world up. The ending with Carl was a total surprise! I wonder how Sophia is going to react to what happened?

  16. Slowboy February 11, 2015 at 10:32 am - Reply

    Carl’s (now ex?) girlfriend gets beaten up, he nearly kills the protagonists.
    Gregory poisons Maggie, time for Carls angry face again (if he can wipe the smile off it)!

  17. prakhardogra February 11, 2015 at 11:14 am - Reply

    I just hope that Maggie is saved at the last moment by Jesus and the relationship between Carl and Lydia doesn’t turn out to be too fishy. I am also wondering what is happening in other communities?

  18. Lizzy Iverson February 11, 2015 at 11:18 am - Reply

    I always have to read Brian’s posts carefully because you never know when there will be SLANDER.

  19. carlyyougoonie February 11, 2015 at 11:40 am - Reply

    Gregory, Gregory. When the villain stands over the seemingly dead or dying heroine and spouts off about their genius plan it never ends well for said villain. Big fat duh, fucktwat. You’re about to get crucified.

    Carl, you poor, dumb, hormone-drunk boy. Rule #1 of dating, apocalypse or no: Do not fuck the mentally off-balanced. I’m pretty sure Lydia is going to leave one of those chickens she likes the sound of, headless in your bed as a post-coitus offering. Yeah, not ending well for you either, brother. Not at all. But hey, if you’d known the hat trick would have been so effective I bet you would have employed it much earlier!

    • Neutral-Grey February 11, 2015 at 1:51 pm - Reply

      I feel for him, too. It’s clear his hormones were running that show. And honestly I can relate. Being all awkward like that and not knowing when to reply or even how to reply when you first encounter someone wiling to go “all the way” (and not being shy about it) can really override your thoughts. You just go with the flow and hope it doesn’t fuck you up. And by exploiting his insecurities and making him feel good about it (even turn it into sexual energy), she sealed the deal.

  20. flamingbagofpoo February 11, 2015 at 12:22 pm - Reply

    What a great series with all the shocks, twists, and no holds barred storylines. Thankful to experience this in print and on television. So great in every way

  21. Zetor February 11, 2015 at 12:23 pm - Reply

    Carl is poisoned by Pussy… he will blind in the next episodes I think and Lydia for sure will escape cause her team is waiting for her outside of the walls. this band is prepared this kind of action and made kind of attack before… can not wail the first apperance of the leader of the Whisperers…
    Maggie will survive and Jesus will kill the old man! and I think he will takeover the leadership while Maggie is healing couse somebody has to clean up the mass asap. kill the rats on the board!
    think something huge is coming, bigger than Negan was πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

  22. chinowarrior1 February 11, 2015 at 12:25 pm - Reply

    When I was reading this issue, I instantly thought of Breaking Bad when Gregory pulled out a little vial and poured some unknown drug into Maggie’s drink. Is Gregory Heisenberg??? Lol jk..What’s also funny is that on the next page we see Carl and Lydia hanging out near the chicken cages. Los Pollos Hermanos?!! I’d love to believe that these were little Easter eggs for breaking Bad fans! πŸ™‚

  23. Ricktatorship February 11, 2015 at 1:30 pm - Reply

    Carl is getting played by Lydia, so I hope he makes good on his threat.
    Also, if Maggie does, i’m going to fucking cry.

  24. ronnyhaze February 11, 2015 at 1:59 pm - Reply

    Everything after All out War has been awesome!! Very impressed with the pacing especially! Very controlled!! Can’t wait for that fuckwad, Gregory, to swallow Jesus sword… pour choice of words?

  25. mk797 February 11, 2015 at 2:03 pm - Reply

    Even though Carl is obviously getting played, I still am holding out hope that Lydia actually sides with all our heroes. She is such a strange and interesting character, I can’t wait to see her story unfold. I also hope Carl goes into a deep spiral that he may not come out of. DOWN WITH CARL UP WITH LYDIA. She will be Ricks new child.

  26. jesusrocks24 February 11, 2015 at 2:15 pm - Reply

    In one of Robert Kirkmans latest letter hacks he says something we’ve all been waiting for is coming,could it be Michonne… Naaaa it’s the harvest that we’ve all been waiting for since a new beginning started

  27. Dead666 February 11, 2015 at 2:47 pm - Reply

    WTF issue indeed…
    WTF1 – The conversation between Maggie and Carl sounded very weird. Maggie is the leader, should have told Carl to scram.
    WTF2 – Lydia’s interrogation by Maggie was lame.
    WTF3 – “I am not going to try and hurt” She is sooo killing someone
    WTF4 – “Would you care for a glass of wine? … wouldn’t hurt”. I thought Maggie accepting Gregory’s wine offer was very unrealistic. These are two characters that have clashed since they met.
    WTF5 – “Carl Grimes is full of shit” Bad things are coming his way…
    WTF6 – Is Maggie dead?
    WTF7 – Eye licking
    WTF8 – Hand holding… Like mother, like son… Lydia is playing Carl, no doubt about it. She got him to get her out of the “cell” and now she owes him. This will come to play when the leader comes around…
    WTF9 – Kirkman always surprises us, which means all I typed probably will not happen

    • Neutral-Grey February 11, 2015 at 3:18 pm - Reply

      1.) She has respect for Carl.
      2.) They probably don’t want to pressure her on anything yet. Carl was right when he mentioned showing her how “nice” they are. That’s what they’ve been trying to do. They’ve been trying to prove to the world that their way is better than savagery.
      4.) They may clash but that doesn’t mean Maggie would expect him to try to fucking kill her, dude. From what we’ve seen, Gregory’s kind of become a “second opinion” adviser after Maggie took over.
      6.) I don’t think so. Not yet anyway. I think Gregory gave her the date rape drug. Considering how creepy he can be, it’s not surprising that he has it.
      8.) Ye, that was interesting… I wanted to trust Lydia but after this shit I don’t think I do anymore. But the parallel in the hand holding was really interesting. Maybe even sweet in a way?

  28. Candri February 11, 2015 at 3:10 pm - Reply

    I really wanna win that autographed copy! This issue cover is probably my favorite Adlard has done yet. And this story can still go in many different directions. Breathtaking last few pages… That escalated quickly lol. I hope Gregory gets what he deserves… But I hope they do whatever they do to him in public in front of the familys of Sophia’s harassers. So they get the message that this community has to be on the same page to survive. Brutal but necessary… The whisperers are near and I hope Lydia isn’t playing Carl 100 percent. Robert Kirkman you are a genius. This is gonna get crazy for next issue. Looking forward to the next issue. Keep on keeping on! m/

  29. meislingalex123 February 11, 2015 at 3:24 pm - Reply

    Overall I felt this issue was…..MEH. Obviously they are building up the storyline but it seems like it is taking forever.

  30. Clunker429 February 11, 2015 at 3:27 pm - Reply

    I really think Gregory is not going to live past this volume, either that or he’ll be banished. Carl has learned to play things a little smoother verses when he was younger X) especially with being put up to watch Lydia! Loved this issue ^^ finally glad to see a cover that shows all of Carl’s face after alexandria was attacked!

  31. McKtor February 11, 2015 at 3:28 pm - Reply

    AHH!! I don’t want Maggie to die like that! She’s too strong! Got to love little Carl finally stepping up and taking that final step to becoming a man.

    • Neutral-Grey February 11, 2015 at 6:35 pm - Reply

      I do love me some Carl development but I don’t think a girl exploiting his insecurities to lull him into sheepishness then having sex with him (while he displays a timid nervousness) would really be the final step to becoming a “man.”

      It certainly solidifies him as older and in the “adult” playing field, but I think with his timidness in that last moment it cements him much more as just a confused hormonal kid (despite all he’s lived through) than a man. Which is fine and normal. It’s to be expected.

  32. Vegaiti February 11, 2015 at 3:45 pm - Reply

    Lydia is becoming one of my favourite villains, but do not disrespect/underestimate Carl, he lost his innocence before any other kid during apocalysis time. This is just starting.

  33. Vegaiti February 11, 2015 at 3:56 pm - Reply

    Is Carl Grimes first time…hole licked…the new post apocalypses San Valentine’s day?

  34. ronnyhaze February 11, 2015 at 5:07 pm - Reply
  35. Drummerdoug45 February 11, 2015 at 5:52 pm - Reply

    Why in the world is no one discussing the fact that SHE LICKED HIS EYE HOLE?!?!?!?!?!?!
    Like… damn. Not only are we seeing early teenagers get it on, but one of them stuck her tongue where his eye should be, and everyone is tip toeing around this!!!!

  36. ApocalypticKarma February 11, 2015 at 6:19 pm - Reply

    One of my favorite things about this comic are the ways it shows how people adapt to living in this apocalyptic world. Everyone goes a little crazy, whether they develop a “split” personality like the governor or they talk to a ghost line like Rick or all the other ways people have “coped” what will always matter is their passion to LIVE. The idea of the whispers is brilliant. It pays homage to the old days where we saw them use the deads’ blood as camo and shows how some people like to just keep it simple and primitive. Are Native Americans are still like this, as are many islanders. Putting on the skin of the Dead is as advanced as this group wants to be
    Its what works for them, that’s their survival technique- that’s their “culture”. We have seen a lot over the years but Kirkman always hits home because every concept stays linked to our current reality in some way. Carl losing his virginity was definitely a surprise, yes, but he is a older teenager- it was bound to happen. Just because he has grown up fast doesn’t change anything, every single survivor has “grown up” we only learn about everyone else in pieces and treasure the ones we have been with from the beginning- but we can knock what others do. That’s kind of the point of Rick’s whole acceptance of others and no kill policy. I just hope that by Carl having sex it gives him the confidence he is lacking at times
    …….I could continue forever, as most of us here could… I will end, with awesome issue! Looking forward to the character development of Lydia and her kind and….. WHATS UP WITH MICHONNE?! After the comment from Rick, “….after everything… I miss Michonne…” I NEED to know what’s going on!

  37. ApocalypticKarma February 11, 2015 at 6:22 pm - Reply

    correction *CANT knock what pll do…..damn lol

  38. Mearcus February 11, 2015 at 6:27 pm - Reply

    This is the first actual comic of the walking dead I have bought (normally buy the hardcovers) but I had to get this one for the amazing cover. Carl is by far my favorite character and this comic goes great on my wall! Great job on the cover!

  39. mheasley1011 February 11, 2015 at 7:02 pm - Reply

    Everyone is asking “WWJD”? (What Will Jesus Do), but when it come to Gregory they should be asking “WWND” (What Would Negan Do)?

  40. MaximumParty February 11, 2015 at 7:12 pm - Reply

    Well i. Loved. This. Comic. What a fantastic issue guys, very well done, im worried about liking lydia so much because im sure theres a very large chance her and her kind will be a problem soon enough, i cannot waaaaaiiiiiit to see what the fuck happens to good old greg in the next, ive been begging for some michonne action for a while but after this whole bit im fuckin thirsty, cant wait for revenge, cant wait for michonne, cant wait for more carl, and you better believe i am as ready as humanly possible for the introduction of the demon gypsy king

  41. VladimirTStrife February 11, 2015 at 7:13 pm - Reply

    Can someone please ask Kirkman to add in that Lydia lied about her age and is actually 18 so I don’t have to feel so dirty anymore?

  42. j.cano11 February 11, 2015 at 7:20 pm - Reply

    Carl becomes a man. Our little boy has grown up in front of our eyes, just in time for Valentines Day.

  43. AltShe31 February 11, 2015 at 7:43 pm - Reply

    My soul wasn’t ready for that!

  44. tsquarewv February 11, 2015 at 8:02 pm - Reply

    This really is a perfect issue for Valentine’s Day and I didn’t remotely see it coming! I am hoping that Maggie will be saved by Jesus especially for Sophia’s sake. The combination of Carl getting with Lydia and possibly losing her “mom” at the same time, right after getting beat up would be quite the heart breaker. Regardless, the true Valentine’s Day highlight of this issue is without a doubt the tonguing of the eye socket! It was sensual too! I definitely made an audible noise followed by hard laughter when I saw this, for I was not prepared. I can’t think of anything else that could possibly tie Valentine’s Day and the Walking Dead together more than something like that. Bravo! Some very nice work on this issue!

  45. Houstonz February 11, 2015 at 9:48 pm - Reply

    All I want for Valentine’s Day is someone who would lick my eye hole.

  46. seanmathews1 February 12, 2015 at 3:37 am - Reply

    I’d like to think the last thing Gregory sees is Jesus’s katana protruding out the front of his intestinal wall. Its no less than he deserves.

  47. Neutral-Grey February 12, 2015 at 8:25 am - Reply

    Okay, is it just me or did the upvotes on this entire page get reset? There was one post yesterday with 7 upvotes, and another with 3, and another with (negative) 3. And now the one with 7 only has 2 and the rest have 0. What happened?

  48. dragonfire1026 February 12, 2015 at 10:09 am - Reply
  49. fatso_the_wombat February 12, 2015 at 10:49 am - Reply

    And I thought the opening scene of Un Chien Andalou was the grossest ever eye related scene… not any more! πŸ™‚

  50. Chase February 12, 2015 at 11:53 am - Reply

    Hey Guys! I read the newest issue of The Walking Dead yesterday and it was fantasic! anyway, I have a few questions to ask at the end:

    1. Did both Carl and Lyida took off thier clothes?
    2. If so, will be possilbe that Carl got Lydia pregant?

    • Neutral-Grey February 12, 2015 at 2:04 pm - Reply

      You don’t really need to take your clothes off to have sex. Just expose the gential region and work from there. So I’m going to guess they didn’t strip down or anything. But we don’t know. We don’t get to see that (thankfully).

      And yes, it is in the realm of possibility for Carl to knock her up. Getting pregnant can be a bit harder than some movies make it out to be, though. Some couples try for months to have a kid. So it won’t probably won’t happen, but it could.

      • Chase February 13, 2015 at 10:15 am - Reply

        Thanks for letting me know. anyway, since Carl lost his Virginty, and Maggie is Passed out ( Which Paul witnessed on what happen), do you think the Whispers and their “Leader” will march through the gates and ask for Lyida which it’s impossible for her to do since She and Carl already have a relationship, do you think things will go bad based on issuse 140 “Life and Death”?

  51. Six3_Walker February 12, 2015 at 12:10 pm - Reply

    What did we learn? …Carl’s into Blondes, girls who lick his scars and wear dead people’s skin.

  52. Houstonz February 12, 2015 at 2:33 pm - Reply

    A lot of people keep thinking Jesus is gonna kill Gregory butttttttttt.. “we don’t kill.” He’ll probably get knocked on his ass or some broken bones though. A lot of broken bones. Or.. what if he got the upperhand on Jesus with a pistol or something? Too many possibilities in this typically unpredictable series. If Gregory is subdued wouldn’t he be taken prisoner though? Possibly transported and locked up with Negan? That’d be interesting.

  53. mlinare30 February 12, 2015 at 4:20 pm - Reply

    Maggie isn’t stupid. I have to believe she asked Jesus to hang back and she’s playing Gregory because she knows he’s a fuckwad. Lydia said she’s 16…that’s a lot of kink for a 16 year old…I wonder what’s happening in that group of hers…Seems Carl is living like a rock star these days. You know what rockstars get? Herpes. Everything to this date has been increasingly exciting. The idea of the whisperers as enemies in this world is probably as horrifying as the idea of Freddy Kruger existing in our world.

  54. Brandon Hillig February 12, 2015 at 6:03 pm - Reply

    Wow….just WOW! You guys have done it again. This issue was crazy! First of all, I don’t think Maggie will die, Jesus will save her. (That came out awesome). Then, Carl is about to lose the V card, holy shit. I don’t know if Carl will be safe, since the Whisperers said that she is strong. I feel like I want to trust Lydia, but I can’t just yet. (Especially, since she dissed the hat :0) That moment when Lydia licked Carl’s hole was disgusting! I don’t know why everyone sees Sophia and Carl to be a thing, but I just see a brother and sister vibe from them. I also like the concentration on Carl, and we see him evolve, he is the most interesting character, and I want to see more of him. The confrontation next month will be insane and I hope Mags and Carl live, although Issue 140 says Life and Death. Michonne is a great character and I want to see where she is, but I don’t think they can fit her in until this story arc is done. I love A New Beginning so much, I have doubles of all the issues (Issue 127 signed by Charlie Adlard <3) and the Volume πŸ˜€ Looking forward to reading next month's issue where we hopefully see the death of Gregory, although they like to incarcerate people.

    • Neutral-Grey February 12, 2015 at 8:33 pm - Reply

      How do you not see the connection with Carl and Sophia? They were childhood sweethearts who held hands and kissed (playfully) on a couple occasions with Sophia even calling him her “boyfriend.” And despite their “breakup” during All Out War, it was really easy to see them gushing over one another’s reappearance in each other’s lives. I mean, even if you interpret is kids just being kids and them now feeling only platonic love, it’s really not hard to see where the match up comes from.

    • jwcoombs February 19, 2015 at 4:45 am - Reply

      A New Beginning is over. We’re currently in the “Whispers to Screams” arc.

  55. rayaj32 February 12, 2015 at 9:15 pm - Reply

    Looks like Carl is having himself an eye-opening experience!

  56. Eve February 13, 2015 at 6:56 am - Reply

    When I first saw The Great Eye Socket Incident of Issue 137 I thought, what the actual fuck? But having had a few days to digest it….. Lydia has been walking around wearing the dead like a Hallowe’en mask, so I guess it takes all kinds, and whatever floats her boat. At least she didn’t make Carl feel like a piece of shit. Still not sure about her though. She might be interested in Carl, but I can’t shake the feeling she’s getting some really great intel regarding the hilltop- I mean she just got a grand tour of the entire compound, and all Carl found out (other than the fact her group is happy to kill first, ask questions….never? Which he seems to have ignored) is that her group eats fruits and berries and sometimes hunts game. I also find it hard to believe she’d leave a group that she’s presumably been with for years and has built relationships with, perhaps even having family there.

    I also don’t think it’s odd that teenagers would be sexually active- it’s not like all teens are chaste in our world. Despite the relative peace the group has seen as of late, things are still not guaranteed- I think they are all being forced to grow up very fast, and especially in Lydia’s group right now, who know how long any of them really have. Good for them for finding a little happiness when they can.

    With regards to Gregory- I don’t think he’ll be killed, right away anyway. After all, it seems Maggie may be unable to speak at the moment, so someone is going to have to spill on what went down. Gregory is the only one who knows what went in that wine, and that’s likely crucial info to saving Maggie. I’m also not sure he won’t be killed later. Yeah, yeah, ‘we don’t kill’- but I’m not so sure. I really don’t think Negan is being kept alive as a symbol of a new way of life. Seems to me from Ricks’ interactions with him, that Rick is trying to psychologically torture Negan. I’m not sure they have that much animosity towards Gregory. Seems he’s more of a pain in the ass than he’s worth. Maybe Sophia will have her revenge?

  57. marcove3 February 13, 2015 at 10:41 am - Reply

    When will we see more of Negan and Magna? So many characters now…

  58. RealMaskedChaos February 13, 2015 at 12:14 pm - Reply

    Definitely has to be one of my favorite issues since the All Out War conclusion. Love how Carl is getting more of a “main character treatment” with these past several issues. Intrigued to see how Civilization is going to continue to play out in the Hilltop now that Maggie has been poisoned (obviously not dead)

    I can definitely see Carl becoming a part of The Whisperers eventually or even becoming their leader (Good or Bad it would be freaking awesome)

    That last scene though…. Lydia is obviously manipulating Carl and unfortunately that first time for Carl wasn’t with Sophia. That would have been more appropriate since they practically grew up together as a couple lol Not going to question it though since Kirkman is the master at what he does!

  59. jmoore711b February 13, 2015 at 9:07 pm - Reply

    As the father of a teenager, I wasn’t nearly as keen as some others about Carl having sex at this age. (He’s like 14, right? If it happened, it happened but I’m not cheering). The eye socket licking? I don’t know man, I don’t know. lol But ignoring age and looking at it from a story perspective, they are setting up great character development with the Anna/Sophia/Lydia thing.
    On to Gregory. I would be in a psychotic rage and punching walls right now (I’m seeing someone about this problem) if it weren’t for Jesus standing in the background. I love it. I think the entire issue next time should completely ignore any plot whatsoever and just be 22 pages of Jesus tearing Greg apart. This book is getting better and better and I can never wait until each issue comes out. Also, I think Brian and Lizzie do a fantastic job with this forum, are amazingly insightful. And each is incredibly attractive. That is all.

    • BASTET. February 17, 2015 at 4:29 pm - Reply

      I have a boy Carl’s age, so I’m with ya.

      • BASTET. February 18, 2015 at 6:18 am - Reply

        Actually, I think Carl is supposed to be 13… a year younger than one of my boys & a year older than the other. There’s nothing cool about a 13-year old having sex, even Carl Grimes in an apocalypse. I’m just rolling with it because it is Carl Grimes in TWD apocalypse. That’s my rant. Ranting over.

    • jwcoombs February 19, 2015 at 4:50 am - Reply

      It’s actually a pretty normal age to be engaging in intercourse; especially in modern times.

      That being said; in an apocalypse scenario a great many ideals, rules, principals and ways of thinking would disappear; and other would regress to a more medieval methodology. Basically; adolescence is a 20th century invention. In the 18th and 19th centuries, and earlier, Carl would have already been considered a man, and most likely have been wedded and already consummated the marriage. Odd are he would be on his way to becoming a father as well. So, if you really think about it; it’s actually completely normal and acceptable to Carl to be having sex at 13 or 14.

      • BASTET. February 19, 2015 at 7:12 am - Reply

        It’s only “normal” BECAUSE we’ve become accepting of it. We have become less concerned with consequences & responsibility and this gets passed down from one generation to the next as a way of life. Adolescence is not an invention & changes in methodology generally take place to improve humanity. Otherwise, we’d still be cave dwellers.
        As for Carl in an apocalypse, any regression remotely close to a medieval sort would probably take place over a much longer period of time and I can’t think of one reason why it would be considered OK “because it is an apocalypse”. Does it add to the story? Yeah… that & Lydia being a freak does. Doesn’t mean it’s cool with me, same way Negan keeping “wives” wasn’t cool & we know that this sort of thing happens in reality, too. I know some would not comprehend or maybe even argue, but I don’t think having sex makes you a man… I think understanding the consequences, making informative decisions, & being responsible does. Although Carl is very grown for his age, I would find it extremely hard to believe that he would have this level of maturity & understanding pertaining to sex, especially with how his relationships with both Rick and Negan have been depicted. I would find it extremely hard to believe that any kid (because that’s what they are… kids) in reality would have this understanding or, even more so, be CAPABLE of taking responsibilities for their actions.
        Call me Ol’ Skool, hipster, whatever… but to me, 13-year olds are kids, sex is an adult action, and it never has been nor will it ever be “normal” or “acceptable” for kids that age to be having sex!

  60. JMaese February 14, 2015 at 6:52 am - Reply

    I bet, Carl is going to tell Negan what happen between him and Lydia…

  61. harpo.AF February 14, 2015 at 2:35 pm - Reply

    If Maggie survives the poison, I wonder if it will have long-term effects. Like brain-damage, damage to motor skills, anything like that.
    Carl and Lydia, my goodness…he’s kind of young for that kind of action. I bet Negan will be proud of him, while Rick is going to be very uncomfortable. That’s assuming they even got to go all the way, heh… maybe they’ll be interrupted at the start of the next issue. πŸ˜‰
    Anyhoo…I’m looking forward to Gregory’s long-awaited ass-kicking. Don’t disappoint me, Jesus. If you’re not gonna kill him, at least break something. Like his balls. ^____^ or his face. Either or.

  62. harpo.AF February 14, 2015 at 2:41 pm - Reply

    Also, did anyone else get the thought that Gregory roofied Maggie and was going to rape her before killing her…? *shivers* Ughhh. He checks her out and makes lewd comments all the time… ><
    So glad Jesus showed up when he did.

  63. Bouncerbates February 15, 2015 at 3:16 am - Reply

    We all think Jesus is going to save Maggie but he could be part of the problem why would he turn up like that out of the blue. He could be there to confirm she is dead and take over as leader. Just saying would be one hell of a twist.

  64. meislingalex123 February 15, 2015 at 7:51 pm - Reply

    I wonder if the show will go on a longer hiatus when it catches up to issue 127. I feel like that would be a wise decision because of how much the characters seem to have aged between All Out War and A New Beginning. Thoughts?

  65. GovernorPhillip February 16, 2015 at 2:41 am - Reply

    “Love is in the air. Do doo doo do doo doo! Love is in the aiiirrr!!”

  66. BASTET. February 17, 2015 at 4:32 pm - Reply

    What is this arc… 50 Shades of Dead?

  67. jwcoombs February 22, 2015 at 4:49 am - Reply

    How did I not win this comment contest!? That image I made was EPIC!

    I guess winning 4 of these contests in a year would have made it look like favoritism. πŸ˜›

  68. Houstonz February 22, 2015 at 9:17 pm - Reply

    Sex at 13-14 years-old is not *that* typical in America. Does it happen? Yeah. But often enough to be “normal?” Noooooo.

  69. February 23, 2015 at 2:52 pm - Reply

    ”Lydia is strong, she’ll last” remember that? That’s a dead giveaway she’s a bad guy. Dont eat human meat, but that eye socket sure looked tasty,huh.
    And ofcourse she’s playing Carl, getting some juicy inside info, not giving anything up (well, she did give some ;)) But it’s Carl Grimes ffs. All those sentiments about invincibility and giving up the hat.. thats just Kirkman playing with us (yeah, im on to you,sir), softening Carl up so he’d look like easy pray. And although it seems now that Lydia is in control, I wouldn’t be surprised if infact Carl’s the one doing the fucking ’round there. Remember we didnt see what Maggie and Carl talked about just before releasing that sexy little devil into the wild.

    Or not. Could be Carl fucks up real bad with Lydia, ends up losing everything he’s father built, everybody dies, and he sets off on a redemption/rampage kinda journey.

    And let us not forget Magna.

    The scene where Jesus saves that guy with he’s crazy Jason Bourne/Ninja kinda skills I think is to ensure the reader feels that Jesus is the man and all he touches is pure awesomness, and that’s exactly why it will be even more shocking when he isn’t able to save Maggie.

    Or not. But with a great start like that, be sure, he will fail some time soon. Big Time.

  70. Survivalist February 24, 2015 at 12:59 pm - Reply

    This issue was raw footage and i loved it! That socket lick was funny yet appalling. Quite a combo. Yet Carl didnt find it too weird obviously. Cause he was still 100% with it after that. And of couse the whole Maggie deal is gonna be awesome to see unfold.Another stellar issue, cant wait for the next.

  71. WalkingDeadfan1 February 27, 2015 at 1:47 pm - Reply

    what an issue, Little Carl grown up, Maggie is alive and Jesus is going to stab him in the gut. Carl is certainly his mothers child

  72. Father_Desmond February 28, 2015 at 1:49 pm - Reply

    Good for you buddy, that Lydia chick sure likes licking your eye-socket. Enjoy hahaha

  73. vintagekoala March 8, 2015 at 6:23 am - Reply

    I get the Lydia is 16 and horny af’, but last time I checked, Carl was 8 and only two or three years have passed since Negan, so wouldn’t that make him 10 or 11? Are his hormones even going wild yet?

  74. Don1313 March 17, 2015 at 11:26 am - Reply

    The introduction of Lydia in this issue is a welcomed one as far as I’m concerned. She’s young&pretty and she is Carl’s first exposure to someone raised very differently than he has. How could he or we not be intrigued with her?

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