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The Walking Dead 134 Discussion

Hey gang! If you’re reading this, then you’ve picked up Issue 134! Yet ANOTHER cliffhanger! What did you think?! We want to hear it. Give us your take on this week’s issue, your predictions for the future, or anything interesting! We’ll pick our favorite comment (we being the crew here) and that person will win… a Robert Kirkman-SIGNED copy of Issue 134! Let ’em rip!


UPDATE: Our favorite comment was from Kryss, who summed up the entire issue in one short, terrifying sentence: “Is Carl gonna name his shovel Sophia?”

  1. Agenta5211 November 11, 2014 at 5:33 pm - Reply

    Havnt read it yet, but it looks amazing!! Also it comes out on my birthday!!!! What could be better than that?

  2. indy2382 November 11, 2014 at 7:13 pm - Reply

    we now know the whispers are christian.

  3. Staimphin November 11, 2014 at 7:29 pm - Reply

    Just bought digital edition. Now watching the clock…12:27 (GMT+9), hate to wait!
    At least, it’s alvailable outside USA…

  4. samM November 11, 2014 at 8:21 pm - Reply

    I am stunned… Carl- he Neganed those kids and… Wow. What? That was insane! What happened to Carl that made him so unrelenting and brutal? He will do anything to protect the people he cares about. It seems like all of his development has been leading up to this… Oh yeah, and the other part, with Jesus? I am pretty sure the Whisperers followed them home…

  5. Connor Harper-Adams November 12, 2014 at 12:36 am - Reply

    The Whisperers may legitimately be one of the scariest villains to enter the comic series… I really cannot wait to see more of them, as I think this could end up being one of the greatest arcs the comics have ever seen.. Also, Carl going all out on those assholes was pretty awesome too! Anyway, loved the issue, can’t wait until next month, as usual!

    • MaximumParty November 12, 2014 at 3:03 pm - Reply

      Yea dude the whisperers are serious shit, ambushes all day, and i love watching carl channel prison rick
      “I think i killed them”

      • OLDGUY128 November 13, 2014 at 4:47 pm - Reply

        Well, I was wondering about the shotgun one had, Can they make their own bullets, if not their own thing they got going is using walkers to do their killing for them, and hiding with the walkers But my guy says that the female will sing, and they will know their numbers, and everything else

        Next I expect Rick to be attacked by them

  6. Staimphin November 12, 2014 at 12:40 am - Reply

    “You have purchased this item in advance. It’ll be available on 11/12 at 12pm PST.”
    Is that means the 12th at (GMT +0)8am or the 12th at (GMT+0) 20h?

  7. jwcoombs November 12, 2014 at 3:04 am - Reply
  8. heatherspeaks493 November 12, 2014 at 6:04 am - Reply

    So excited to read this issue…not actually surprised at the evolution of Carl…his behavior thru the comics have given an inkling of how he reacts to situations.

  9. jwcoombs November 12, 2014 at 6:21 am - Reply

    Also, about Carl’s fight; I couldn’t help but notice a little Negan influence. After all, you can’t deny that Negan has not only been a constant presence in Carl’s life, but an influence as well. I wonder if some people will be disappointed with Carl’s actions? Feeling as if his killing those boys completely defeats the purpose of everything Rick was trying to accomplish with him. Almost as if this is proof Rick failed as preserving Carl’s humanity?

    I also can’t help but wonder is this is going to create some kind of law and order conflict? Will the people feel obligated, in their new society of rules and regulation, to prosecute, or worse, persecute, Carl in some way for his actions, or…crimes? This could be interesting. Because on the one hand; if Rick and the others want to succeed in reestablishing law and order and be taken seriously, they would have no choice but to prosecute and discipline Carl for his crimes. Which wouldn’t be too severe, because if was self defense, but even in our modern society there is a fine line between self defense and manslaughter. Carl did get carried away. But on the other hand, if Carl is no prosecuted, he will be perceived as “above the law”. And, if any one person is viewed by all as above the law, than there can be no law.

  10. jwcoombs November 12, 2014 at 6:32 am - Reply

    Check out these comparison images I made. I have tried several methods, but still haven’t figured out how to post images with the new commenting system. So, I’ve provided links to view the images.

    There’s 3 of them. Two of which are “like father, like son” comparisons. One comparing Carl’s “Bully-Beatdown” to Rick’s murdering of Caesar Martinez. The second, a facial comparison of a rabidly angry Carl and Rick Grimes, respectively.

    The third and final image, is a comic panel comparison of Carl and a certain, other, male influence in his life.Personally, I think you will all love this one. LOL

  11. .BASTET November 12, 2014 at 6:45 am - Reply

    Nice to see that even tho Jesus carries a sword, he hasn’t forgotten his kickboxing skills.
    Some of you DeadHeads were a little worried about Jesus….LOL!!
    OMG, Gregory!
    OMG, CARL!! Yesss!!!

    • MaximumParty November 12, 2014 at 3:38 pm - Reply

      Hahaha i was sooooo worried about him, happy to see i was wrong

    • Neutral-Grey November 12, 2014 at 9:28 pm - Reply

      Yo, Bastet. Wanted to throw a thought your way. Saw a couple mention this at the Walking Dead subreddit.

      Think of all Carl has been through. Everything he’s seen as merely a child. I think he’s seen more than some grown men in real combat have. And I do not say that to belittle veterans or those who have fought, but it is merely a high probability that Carl has seen more death and killed more himself than some actual people who have been in real combat/war situations. That said, it is possible his survival reaction and unrelenting brutality are the direct result of… PTSD.

      • .BASTET November 13, 2014 at 4:12 am - Reply

        Neutral PTSD is a thought. I might be able to accept that if I saw where Carl was exhibiting some other symptoms to support the idea, as PTSD is pretty debilitating. As it is now, Carl is very mature for his age & circumstance, is handling social situations well, & doesn’t seem to have any other issues. We’ve only seen him go hard one other time–early on when the walkers approached him & Rick & he shot the gun, despite Rick telling him not to–and that really wasn’t anything extreme. Just a matter of not following orders.

        Still, there could be a touch of PTSD there…certainly can’t rule it out. However, it is an obvious disorder, although not easily understood or treated in the real world, so time will tell & it wouldn’t take long. But I like to go with your initial thought of Carl’s natural instincts kicking in. This is the way of life for him. Kill or be killed is something that he doesn’t need Rick to make a rule about but he has played witness to. Aside from that, he was hit from behind with a brick. Even if there was no such thing as an apocalypse, he could easily say he felt his & Sophia’s lives were threatened & he had every right to protect & defend himself & her!

        Was there a point at which this went too far? Yeah (only because one was pleading for his life & wasn’t fighting back), but the time frame at which Carl has spent in the apocalypse before any sense of structure happens to be in that range of when children are learning about independence & self discipline. Unfortunately, he will probably have to suffer the consequences of his actions like an adult.

        In short: Carl is a normal BAD…..ASS!!!

    • ocassie November 13, 2014 at 10:45 am - Reply

      EXACTLY! Everyone saying he was going to die was more than I could take. Love Jesus. Love him.

  12. seanmathews1 November 12, 2014 at 7:25 am - Reply

    Can’t really post pictures here anymore so I included an imgur link.

    Carl, during his beat down is basically the spitting image of the governor. Forget about the Whisperers, I think Carl might be more of an issue down the road. He has always been on the verge of teetering over to the dark side, but it seems like all that rage built up inside of him is coming out. Don’t now how Rick is going to deal with two potential kills from his son. This is going to put him in a bind. Looking forward to see how this crisis plays out along with a possible attack by the whisperers.

  13. mtpatsfan November 12, 2014 at 7:48 am - Reply
  14. .BASTET November 12, 2014 at 7:59 am - Reply

    Do you think Carl was justified to take it to that extreme?

    • carlyyougoonie November 12, 2014 at 9:35 am - Reply

      For all he knew they would have killed Sophia, so I can see where he’s coming from. They straight up attacked The Carl Grimes (!!!). You may as well kick a hornet’s nest right?

    • jwcoombs November 12, 2014 at 11:37 am - Reply

      I think Carl was justified. Not only was the completely sneak-attacked and blindsided. But with his eye-wound, and the fact that he permanently lost skull fragments that don’t grow back the same, no to mention the minor brain damage and all the scar tissue(Denise wasn’t exactly setup to put him back together properly); that brick to the head could have done a lot more damage than it did. Not to mention, judging by the dialogue, it seemed as if those boys planned to hurt Sophia pretty bad, possibly even kill her and claim it just “got out of hand”. So, Carl was more than justified in his retaliation, not only for the attack on himself, but the fact that two teenage boys were about to beat a girl within an inch of her life. Now, I’m not saying he should have murdered them so swiftly and brutally; especially after the one kid begged; but if his father taught him anything it’s that an enemy needs to be eliminated or else you’ll spend your days looking over your shoulder. I can’t fault Carl too much for his response and reactions. We have to assume that the boy has a severe case of PTSD from all he’s seen, been through, and done himself. He watched his father take men apart, he’s murdered men himself, killed man a walker, witnessed the cold and brutal death of his mother and infant sister, and even murdered a child. Then he fights through a herd of zombies with his Dad and almost gets pulled down by Jessie and her son Ron, and then witnesses his father chop his own girlfriends hand of, callously cutting off her life in the process, just to save his son, then on top of that, Carl takes a bullet to the head, loses his eye, and some of his skull and brain and enters a several week coma. Then, once he’s healed, he’s thrown headfirst into an all out war with a psychopath. He witnessed Glenn’s gruesome death, he then sneaks into the Sanctuary and murders 6 full grown and armed men, and then he spends some time with Negan before being returned to ASZ. Taking all that into account, and the PTSD that has resulted from it, I’m willing to bet, that the very second that brick his Carl’s head, and he saw stars, he wasn’t thinking-“Oh my god what just happened?”; his mind jumped straight into action, fight or flight mode, the same instincts that have served him well throughout the apocalypse. He chose fight, and like I said, after years of watching his father, and being through what he’s been though; did you really expect him to do anything less than kill a threat to the well being of him and his loved ones? Of course not. This is the kid who still wants to kill Negan for what he’s done, because he fears another Governor-style resurgence. And who’s to say those bullies wouldn’t have come for him one night? It’s apparent they couldn’t take an ass-whooping, and that they were petty and vengeful little twits. Had Carl just given them a beating, yeah, they would have feared him, and maybe even respected him in public. But they’d corner him or Sophia sooner or later, or come see him in bed one night when he’s vulnerable; and Carl just won’t risk that.

    • Neutral-Grey November 12, 2014 at 1:09 pm - Reply

      I think, personally, he could have stopped and they never would have fucked with him again after that. Buuuuuut.. It was also fucking awesome to read. So there’s that.

  15. alexsaves3 November 12, 2014 at 8:20 am - Reply

    I bet those bullies don’t dig what Carl does anymore.

  16. cota472 November 12, 2014 at 9:00 am - Reply

    Wow, Carl… killing them was a bit much, but he and the group he came from have proven they will do what is needed to protect themselves and the ones they care about. I have a feeling Sophia is going to distance herself from him as she now knows what he is capable of.

    The Whisperers are going to be a huge new war, maybe Rick will confer with Negan on dealing with them. I just think there has to be a reason he is still around.

  17. TiagoFreitas25 November 12, 2014 at 9:47 am - Reply

    Lets not forget that Carl was 9 when the world urned to shit! He grew up in a screwed up world and after seeing what The Governor, Rick and Negan have done, those things have effected the way he is now. Sure times are more peaceful now but you don’t just lose that sense of survival and brutality. I’m sure Rick would do the same. I just feel bad for Rick now because this is what he was afraid of when he left Carl at the Hilltop. There is no way of knowing what will happen. I don’t think people will be kay with Maggie putting Carl above the law. As far as Jesus goes he’s still badass and can handle anything, no surprise there. I’m interested to see how Rick will deal with the Whisperers since he does not now much about them. Last thing….. Where the hell is Michone!!!! Can’t wait to find out. This was a great issue, love The Walking Dead!

  18. m.jubbies November 12, 2014 at 9:49 am - Reply

    Darius will probably end up dying, but I don’t think those kids Carl beat will. They’ll probably end up living, but they sure won’t look the same anymore! It will be a constant reminder to Carl about what he has done and where to draw the line.

  19. mattbeef November 12, 2014 at 9:59 am - Reply

    Now that they have a civil society. Rick is going to have to throw Carl in jail with Negan as punishment. Where inevitably, Negan and Carl will eventually both succumb to an loving and intimate prison relationship.

  20. carlyyougoonie November 12, 2014 at 10:15 am - Reply

    I feel like one of those kids will die just to make this a bigger shit storm for Carl. One will survive and point his finger at Carl and Sophia as the bullies. Poor Sophia and Carl–they were having a moment people!

  21. carlyyougoonie November 12, 2014 at 10:31 am - Reply

    Maggie’s milkshakes bring all the boys to the yard. And they’re like, it’s better than yours.

    Sorry, I had to. Also, her face at that remark was exactly what mine would have been.

  22. mcoppa123 November 12, 2014 at 10:37 am - Reply

    Carl will be put in prison……. with NEGAN! (different cell) Maybe they will team up and escape together?! Great Issue!!!

  23. jscouras2 November 12, 2014 at 10:44 am - Reply
  24. Kryss November 12, 2014 at 11:25 am - Reply

    Is Carl gonna name his shovel Sophia?

  25. seanmathews1 November 12, 2014 at 12:18 pm - Reply

    Carl is going to put barbed wire on his shovel now and call it Josephine.

  26. azupop November 12, 2014 at 1:04 pm - Reply

    Man, Carl fucked up! [Oops, excuse me- after Issue #133 I promised to only refer to Carl from now on as “Carl Grimes!!!!!” like in what’s-her-name’s letter to him]. Teenagers usually make bad, impulsive decisions but THIS one takes the cake! Shovels are for digging soft earthen ground, Carl, not softening up someone’s skull and brain! Weirdly enough, when he was pouncing on those kids in front of Sophia I heard The Isley Brothers’ sweet ballad “For The Love of You” playing in the background…

    Er, I guess Carl’s behavior voids out any contractual agreements Earl Sutton was bound to for the blacksmith apprenticeship. The only thing Carl will be makin’ in the blacksmith shop after this are his own ankle and wrist shackles! Or maybe his punishment will be a banishment/internship out in the wild with The Whisperers eh.

    But seriously, the repercussions/ripple effects of Carl’s beat down seem HUGE. First off, this jeopardizes the good relationship between The Hilltop and Alexandria Safe Zone. What the hell kind of relationship will Maggie and Rick personally have after this?! Plus, if Carl ends up locked in jail how is he ever going to be able to ever see the child he fathered with Rosita?! (Just kidding…)

    P.S. And what the hell was up between Jesus and Maggie in #134? The look on Jesus’ face said to me that Maggie was the last person he wanted to run into at The Hilltop. And then Maggie says to him “What are you doing here?” Did I miss something? Oh sorry, I actually did- the two-year time leap where all this shit musta happened between everyone!!!!

    Lastly, what the hell is Gregory still doing alive?! He was, is and always will be one of the most pathetic characters ever in the comic!! Plus his bad combover makes him even creepier. I will never see a milkshake in the same way again, so thanks for that lingering side effect Mr. Kirkman!

  27. mheasley1011 November 12, 2014 at 1:23 pm - Reply

    In this issue two different groups of assholes picked a fight with two people they shouldn’t have and now Maggie gets to deal with what’s left of these idiots. The whisperers tried their hand with Jesus and lost. I guess they didn’t know “Nobody fucks with the Jesus”. Then these bullies tried taking on Carl and Sophia, another bad idea. Carl has a crazy bad ass scar on his face and a missing eye, you think that might be enough to deter these assholes but when have you ever know bullies to have high IQ’s. Kirkman did a great job at making them sound like real bullies too, saying they would cry to their parents and say Sophia attacked them. Maggie still has to deal with Gregory’s cowardliness and stupidity too. I think she is doing one hell of a job as leader of The Hilltop.

  28. tristainpittman November 12, 2014 at 1:31 pm - Reply

    Where to begin??? First, let us take a moment to appreciate all that is Jesus. From the first time he was introduced, he has been my favorite character. Faced with overwhelming odds, and greatly outnumbered, what does our greatest ass-kicker do? Start splitting skulls, while simultaneously assessing and questioning his enemies, and defending his friend. Love it.

    That said, I do want to touch base on the Walkie Talkies (I like this moniker best for them). If they are so abysmal at fighting, why on earth would they attack armored men on horseback?! I can’t wait to get some more backstory on this group. Do they have a leader? How did they convince so many people to start wearing flesh-masks? Do they have a community, or are they constantly moving with the herds?

    Finally, Carl Grimes(!!!). Wow. This certainly changes things in dramatic fashion, even under the assumption that Carl didn’t actually kill the boys. What is the punishment for murder/manslaughter anyway? I’m guessing this puts enormous pressure on Maggie (who already has Gregory questioning her authority). Does she ship Carl back to Rick, or make him serve his time at the Hilltop? I certainly don’t think this will go unpunished, but if it does, you can bet the community will suffer.

    It’s strange though, because we’ve been given this new image of Carl since the time-jump of being more mature and thoughtful than before. It lulled me into believing that maybe he wasn’t the murderous psycho from years past, and had been reformed. This issue has stated very clearly that Carl Grimes (!!!) is his father’s son, and is a very astute pupil in this new world. He is convinced that anyone who crosses him or his family must be destroyed to secure his future. That mentality works fine when you’re on the road surviving… not so much in a civil society. It makes me wonder: Are the founders of these new societies even capable of living inside them? The goal has always been to bring themselves back to the way things were… but they may have paid too high a price, with their humanity, to ever be part of the world they are creating.

    • Neutral-Grey November 12, 2014 at 1:36 pm - Reply

      I don’t think it’s a “mentality” nor is he a psycho. It’s instinct to him. To survive you kill. If you don’t kill, you die. Carl has become more mature and more polite since he’s aged but his instincts aren’t gone. Those kids didn’t deserve to die for being shitheads but they bagged the wrong horse. Compared to Carl, they really are kids. They’ve probably been sheltered at the Hilltop for a long time. While Carl learned to kill at age 7 out of necessity for survival. If they understood what it means to be attacked and beaten down, if they knew what that still meant for people outside comfy town walls, they never would have done it.

      But yes, he’s definitely his father’s son. Cold, brutal when need be. The repercussions here might truly be bad.

  29. Neutral-Grey November 12, 2014 at 1:32 pm - Reply

    “I bet the worst thing that will happen here is you get told not to pick fights you can’t win.”

    Oh man. Kid set it up himself. Oh man.

  30. tripleplusgood85 November 12, 2014 at 2:45 pm - Reply

    Given how brutally Sophia was beaten, I don’t see Carl being punished too harshly. In the real world, if someone assaults you with a brick to the head, killing that person would be considered self-defense. This will certainly create a rift on the hilltop though. I’m sure we’ll be hearing from those boys parents’.

  31. RealMrDickenherr513 November 12, 2014 at 3:27 pm - Reply

    You guys fuckin rock like always and I love every page of every comic this is my first time commenting and I have to say the cherry on top for me was definitely when Gregory decided to tell Maggie that “little Herschel is going to be havin milk shakes tonight” Hagahaha I laughed for probably 10 straight minutes and even went back to read it multiple times for another chuckle lol. Thank you so much for making the best story ever hands down! Fuckin love your work!

  32. Vegaiti November 12, 2014 at 3:50 pm - Reply

    Guys I love the art in this issue! Jesus was awesome and clever having now a prisoner and Carl just did what have to be done as he has been teached from the beginning by his dad (and the circumstances ) #134ever

  33. Nolen November 12, 2014 at 3:57 pm - Reply

    Carl used to be my favorite character, basically ever since he killed Ben. Then the time skip happened and he just didn’t seem as cool anymore. Then this. Carl is once again the cold killer he was. Sure what he did was definitely taking things too far, but still it brought Carl back to the top of my favorite character list for me.

    • Nolen November 12, 2014 at 4:01 pm - Reply

      And I would like to add that Carl isn’t crazy or anything like some are saying, this is just what he has known to do for a long time. You kill you live as Rick once said.

      • Neutral-Grey November 12, 2014 at 9:22 pm - Reply

        May I talk into your ear for just a moment please? I’m not insulting you but this one thing I’ve heard a lot of Carl fans say that actually gets on my nerves. “The time skip made him less cool.” No, it didn’t. The time skip made him more normal. He had time to live a normal life finally. He is a killer and has a killer’s instinct but he’s also an awkward beginning teenager. Which means he’s going to do awkward silly things like wear a pointless necklace or wear hipster glasses when he could be using an oversized eye patch. But he’s actually done nothing wrong to make him less “cool” besides not killing people anymore. Literally. That’s it. And, also, his older age seems to have made him slightly more polite. He doesn’t say quite so many jerkass things anymore because he probably catches himself easier. That said, when I hear people say that somehow the time skip made them like him less it’s like they’re literally saying “I only saw Carl as a kid with a gun who killed people and that’s fucking cool.” And that’s not who Carl is. It’s WHAT he is, but not WHO he is. We’ve been so busy gushing over how fucking hardcore he is for a kid we’ve forgotten he has feelings, individual thoughts, and opinions of his own. He’s an actual character, not just an archetype. He’s had time to be normal so let’s him be normal for a bit. Let’s just appreciate who he is as a character instead of what he does as one.

        That said, this issue was fucking awesome and brutal and amazing. Sorry for ranting at you. I’m just seeing this comment made a LOT in other places.

  34. SpaceKicker November 12, 2014 at 5:45 pm - Reply

    I never thought I would agree with anyone that says that, but….. I now have to

  35. SpaceKicker November 12, 2014 at 5:48 pm - Reply

    Jesus can retire and become a gymnastics teacher in the new world, he would be perfect for that.

  36. carlyyougoonie November 12, 2014 at 5:55 pm - Reply

    I honestly don’t see any real merit in the Carl-Negan comparison at this point. I’m sure lots of people have beat someone to death with a bunt instrument in the apocalypse. He didn’t take pleasure from it. It wasn’t fun for him. He wasn’t making jokes and teasing them as it happened. He straight up had an adrenaline (and maybe rage) surge when he had to defend himself and his lady-love. Quit wishing for evil-Carl, people.

  37. sinbadd222 November 12, 2014 at 7:04 pm - Reply
  38. Staimphin November 12, 2014 at 7:44 pm - Reply

    Wondering if the leader of the whisperers could be Davidson.
    Rick was always compared to him, and Rick found out the zombie’s guts trick.
    Carl left and came back with a weapon, so it’s mean he really wanted to hurt those kids. If he had stood and fought then pretty badly injuried the kids it could had be self defense IMO.

  39. harpo.AF November 12, 2014 at 8:03 pm - Reply

    Damn. Carl. As soon as I saw his snarl, I was thinking ‘those kids are dead.’ I saw the parallel between him and Negan. Though Carl pretty much snapped and was running on blind rage and defense…and while I do think Negan killed Glenn out of anger/vengeance, he’d already decided wayyy beforehand that he was going to kill someone, so the calculation of it was much more cold and inhumane. If the kids had managed to run away and Carl had a chance to cool down… would he have then planned to kill them? I mean, that would be the difference right there. I do agree that considering Carl has been talking to Negs for at least two years now on a regular basis…he must be influenced by him somehow, even if it’s subconsciously. And even before that, Carl always had the thought that his dad was too ‘soft’ or ‘lenient’ at times.
    And…there is a chance those kids aren’t dead ;P Carl pretty much whacked the shit out of them though. The fall-out from this is going to be verrry interesting!
    I’m also wondering if this is going to affect Sophia, in that she might flashback to when Glenn was beaten. I know she didn’t really watch, but it could still be like… a trigger or something.
    Gregory’s milk-shake comment. Wow. He is as awesome as ever. When he said he was going to get a horse, I was thinking ‘Maggie should say ‘go ahead’ and she totally did! 😀 And of course I didn’t see him running for a saddle! LOL
    Jesus did not disappoint me. And I’m glad the young Morgan Freeman…er… Darius, will probably live. Maybe I’m a sucker for freckles… XD

    • Neutral-Grey November 12, 2014 at 9:24 pm - Reply

      I think you’re onto something with the idea of Carl being pure rage in that moment. He may have enacted some form of revenge had they run away, but I don’t think he would have done anything close to killing him had the moment to actually cool down and think presented itself.

  40. Agenta5211 November 12, 2014 at 9:48 pm - Reply

    Carl became Duane for a second there. That was pretty freaking awesome. Tied in first place with issue 132 as my favorite issue ever.

  41. jmoore711b November 12, 2014 at 9:56 pm - Reply

    Others are going to disagree with me here but I think Carl’s reaction had nothing to do with Negan. This kid killed someone in volume 1. And plenty of times since then. I also think that the circumstances are a little different because a) the attack on Sophia was continuing and b) using a brick pushed it beyond simply bullying. This was an attack with a deadly weapon in a world where there is no such thing as under-age. Carl didn’t come back six hours later and seek revenge. He fought back as Sophia was being attacked. I don’t know where they are going with this story line but this looks like self defense. And before I get razzed on this, I will tell you that my opinion would be completely different if the kids hadn’t used a brick.
    That said, we saw how Rick reacted when the patrolman was being lazy. So if this goes to post-apocalyptic “trial” what do you think he’ll say about his kid getting clubbed from behind with a brick?

  42. mvaleriano November 12, 2014 at 10:44 pm - Reply

    Sampson had his long flowing locks to give him strength. In the apocalypse, it’s all about the samurai bun. Behold the bun.

  43. travismbrown November 13, 2014 at 5:21 am - Reply

    Samurai Jesus……that is all

  44. Staimphin November 13, 2014 at 5:27 am - Reply

    Everybody seems to thinks this arc will be Rick and co vs the whisperers…
    But for what we know hilltop and Alexandria’s casualties where scouting in an unexplored zone.
    Remember when Jesus introduce Rick to the kingdom?
    They had to introduce themselves before going further.
    We know and stand for the one we knows, but if we try to see objectively armed man came in the whisperers ground. They don’t like strangers, and they protects their ground (how many Negan like stood alive in theses times?).
    More I think about it , and I remember some western movies : fort hilltop meet walk with the dead.
    Could become a war or a bigger network.
    Also working with the whisperers could open interesting development: they can go inside cities, marking maps about resources(free access everywhere) and materials (in case Eugene plan to fix a power plan).
    Maybe the whisperers are just some kind of name for the scout from a bigger community ?
    There’s a lot of potential here.

  45. marco996 November 13, 2014 at 7:07 am - Reply
  46. daniel615 November 13, 2014 at 7:30 am - Reply

    first off i wanna say this was a great issue. ive read alot of comments with people saying they think carl will be punished pretty bad well i personally dont think he will just for the simple fact that him and sophia were just sitting there and then outta no where the bullies hit carl in the back of the head with a brick and if you noticed right after they hit carl when it showed him bending over huffing it looked like there was blood coming outta his eye socket almost like getting hit with that brick re opened the wound but with them hitting carl with the brick and beating up sophia like they did i just honestly see it being self defense. and i do think theres a big war coming to the hilltop from the whispers i think that somehow they followed jesus back there and now its only a matter of time before they strike. or actually since jesus took that 1 whisper back to the hilltop as a prisoner once they got the prisoner to talk they will no whats going on and who the whispers are so if the whispers were to go attack asz ricks group they have no idea who these whispers are if a bunch of them were to go to asz i think ricks group will think there just a bunch of walkers not knowing that there actually carrying knives swords and who knows what else, so i cant wait for issue #135 next month this story just keeps getting better and better. hurry up december 10th.

  47. GMyrberg November 13, 2014 at 9:57 am - Reply

    Well, now, that was quite an anti-bullying PSA!

  48. Aerora November 13, 2014 at 1:15 pm - Reply

    I really liked the contrast between Jesus and Carl in this issue. When the whisperer begs Jesus not to kill her, he doesn’t. When BOTH boys beg Carl not to kill them, with one even apologizing, Carl just keeps whacking away.

  49. Aerora November 13, 2014 at 4:02 pm - Reply

    Carl also reminds me much more of Rick than Negan. Remember Rick going crazy on Jessie’s husband and all the townspeople staring in horror?

  50. Chestplates420 November 13, 2014 at 4:50 pm - Reply

    Where the hell is Heath? is anybody else wondering this? He lost his leg in ALL OUT WAR, but honestly i think that’s one of the last times we’ve seen him…If anybody has any ideas about where he could be, my guess is the Kingdom seeing as we haven’t seen it this arc yet and yet we know its out there and must be doing good, because we all know if they weren’t we would have most likely heard something about it by now…let me know what you guys think also welcome are ideas about Michonne,Ezekiel, more info. about Dwight and The Saviors and I’m pretty sure there’s a few more…We got Gregory this episode so now we really need to be learning where these other key characters are ATM and also what they’ve been through since the end of ALL OUT WAR.

    • harpo.AF November 13, 2014 at 6:05 pm - Reply

      I had to check to make sure, but Heath is in #127 as part of the zombie herder team that finds Magna and co. He’s riding a horse and has a crutch, so he seems to be adapting well to his loss of limb.

      • Chestplates420 December 6, 2014 at 7:32 pm - Reply

        Thanks for for the Clarity there, i do remember that now, its just i always really liked Heath, not my fav. that honor goes to Jesus of course. then Rick then MORGAN JONES bc he was my all time fav and died but i still love him. lol, But yeah i figured Heath would have a bigger role because he was so focused on in the All Out War arc, im assuming that in typical Kirkman fashion we will “Get to him” eventually hahaha but thanks again for reminding me about that part. Im bad with little details and have the time the comic has to tell me which character is which because theres so many new and unrecognizable characters, then you have the new “versions” of old characters after the time jump so lately iv been discombobulated about certain characters, where they are and in the beginning i even though Jesus was somebody else, i forget who i though he was but i did not know it was Jesus at first with his new getup. Also anybody else notice what a cool and awesome character Andrea has become? Shes super bad ass and has been since like idk Fear The Hunters arc but iv always liked her and im glad that Kirkman made the choice to keep her around and also let Rick and Her have a love interest. Its cute and awesome that Rick and Carl have a “new” mother figure to stand in for Lori. Plus shes 10x more badass then Lori was…Unlessss she gets Pregnant, that would ruin her character in my opinion, on the other hand adding a Pregnancy to a differant less badass character like Rosita and Eugene, both not the best survivors, although Rosita seems to be pretty capable these days for sure, she can hold her own, but the Euge not so much, so im really interested in seeing how that plays out. New baby, New Dad and New Mom, literally bc neither of them ever had a kid before now…The ZA lol zombie apocalypse got that from Z Nation lol. Cheers mate thanks for the info on Heath. GO RICK! ANd CARL GRIMES(!!!!!!!) Oh and Jesus our Lorde and Savior. ALL HAIL JESUS FOR HE HAS BEEN RESURRECTED AND NO LONGER WILL HE BE DYING FOR MANKINDS SINS. Just his own 😉 …NOT…lol

  51. MaximumParty November 13, 2014 at 5:06 pm - Reply

    Wasnt expecting that horse to make it out alive, im kind of impressed, really a nice twist having a horse that lives

  52. miked72795 November 13, 2014 at 6:36 pm - Reply

    What if Maggie kicks out Carl which starts an issue between Maggie and Rick and we get another war

  53. Ghetto Gator November 14, 2014 at 6:00 am - Reply

    I loved this issue, so many more problems have arisen and Carl went “Duane” with the shovel on those bullies. Jesus vs Whisperers ended exactly how I thought it would…Jesus always wins. I loved the interaction between Maggie and Gregory, it really shows how much more bad ass Maggie has become as the leader of Hilltop. Can’t wait to see the interrogation of the whisperer hopefully in the next issue.

    • Chestplates420 December 6, 2014 at 7:43 pm - Reply

      Actually, didnt carl go full Duane before on somebody? i forget who but I could have sworn there was Another previous call back to the Duane hitting rick with the shovel moment where somebody gets whacked with a shovel, Maybe im thinking of the walking dead tv show but i really thought there was another call back to that somewhere, just cant really remember atm, I could be wrong lol. idk Im shot atm. too many hits of Merles Meth got me like RICK seeing his Ghost of Lori hahahaha what a laugh that was , worst part of Season 3 in the show that was, The rest of the season was bad ass tho, cept for the ending with the Governor killing all his people, that was weird and kinda dumb, then Rick taking those people in ehh i didnt know about that, but it def paid off in season 4 mid season finale with him leading the 2nd attack and it being 100x more epic than the first one. Then i really liked the Daryl Merle storyline and still to this day “This Sorrowful Life” is in my top 5 fav episodes of all time.

  54. Aerora November 14, 2014 at 1:17 pm - Reply

    Use the force Carl! Don’t turn to the dark side!

  55. Pikkagne November 16, 2014 at 2:28 pm - Reply

    I really think that Carl is one of my favourite characters of the entire comics, at the begin, when i started read TWD, i didn’t really like him, it was so scared and so wimp (as Sophia says). But after, when he tried to kill Negan, from there on, he’s become one of my favourite characters of TWD. And now in this issue, when i see him run away i than “oh crap, he’s become the scared one as the begin”, but when i saw him kill these two guys i just sayed “what is he doing? it’s to much for Carl Grimes” but soon after “This is fucking awesome”
    Now let’s talk about the new threath of the Survivors, the Whishperers. Robert Kirkman had a really good idea, the first threat was the Governator, the second one Negan… these two are people, but now, the whishperers were brilliant because they dressed up as walkers.
    Now i can’t wait to see what they’ll do to Carl and what will say the prisoner’s whishperers!

  56. OLDGUY128 November 16, 2014 at 3:22 pm - Reply

    The big question is who is the leader of the whisperers?
    Why now are they moving into this location, How can they be stopped?
    What do they eat?

  57. Ismokeherb November 16, 2014 at 9:13 pm - Reply

    Carl murdered those kids flat out, they were pleading for mercy before they died.

  58. Houstonz November 20, 2014 at 11:50 pm - Reply
  59. ronnyhaze November 23, 2014 at 9:59 pm - Reply

    NEGAN CALLED IT!! LOL, Carl is a psychopath! I think he did the right thing though.

  60. SpaceKicker December 3, 2014 at 6:58 pm - Reply

    when’s the comment winner going to be anounced, the new comic will be released in a week!

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