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UPDATED: The Walking Dead 123 Discussion

As soon as you’ve read The Walking Dead #123 (which is out digitally at midnight at ImageComics.com) come stop on by and discuss the issue here!

We’re not going to list the major plot points until tomorrow, so you’ll have to wait a few more hours for the guided discussion! But at least as humanity is being ripped apart in the comics, you can all come together as a community and talk about how #ShivaLives.

#Maybe

And remember, we’re always on the look out for the best comment. One lucky person who tugs our heart strings the hardest, makes us laugh the loudest, or just says something mind-blowingly insightful will win a signed copy of Issue 123.

So, without further ado, talk amongst yourselves!

UPDATED!

Recap and discussion questions brought to you by Lizzy this week! Exciting! Here we go…

Eugene is free! Almost. What do you think happened to that group of Saviors that tried to escape? Are they gonna make it?

“You’ve lost your Dale… maybe you’ve got a Rick out there.” We learn that while Andrea is able to move on, Maggie is an even-after-death-do-we-part type of gal. Such feels.

Carl. Carl Carl Carl. You are never going to score with Sophia if you keep bringing up her tendency to suppress scarring memories. This is not the way to a lady’s heart!

Rick shows some optimism! Is this a new direction for his character? Or is Negan going to sweep in a destroy everything?

Looks like the latter, given that the Saviors arrive at the Hilltop! Spear guy gets shot (bringing a spear to a gun fight is even worse than bringing a bat, apparently) and Negan instructs the Saviors to get their weapons all nice and gooey. Dwight resists at first, but gives in. Or does he!?

The truck does a number on Hilltop’s walls, bullets fly and the Saviors come rolling in on murdercycles. Rick barely misses getting run down while Andrea and Carl try to shut down the cars. Marcus gets shanked (quite literally) and Ezekiel has a quiet moment of bravery as he covers Michonne. Maybe he’s back to being a tiger-wielding bad ass? Without the tiger, of course.

MEANWHILE, Negan and Dwight sneak behind the barricade where there’s a clear shot of Rick. Negan urges Dwight to fire “even if it’s not a kill shot,” and Dwight gets him in the side with a bolt. Negan declares, “Game fucking over.” But is it?

All in all, the issue ends in the middle of battle, with no side clearly ahead. Will the Saviors get to the house and slaughter the survivors? Or does Rick have some secret weapon in store? Do you think Dwight has infected Rick with zombie-bolts, or is it a clean wound? Let us know in the comments! Our favorite comment gets a copy of 123 signed by Robert!

UPDATED AGAIN! – The winner

Our favorite comment was from Dylan Willey, whose panel-punchline we found especially poignant (what an alliteration!). Also, we’re sorry it’s too soon.

Congrats, Dylan, you get a signed copy of #123!

  1. John Bardwell March 11, 2014 at 10:53 pm - Reply

    I am still expecting Lucile 2, Negans dick wrapped in barbed wire

  2. Jacob Williamson March 11, 2014 at 11:46 pm - Reply

    I’m waiting for Negan to either hit Machonne on the arm or Andrea, maybe even Carl, it’ll bring back what happened to Lee in the TellTale game 🙁

  3. Robert Scott March 12, 2014 at 12:36 am - Reply

    Really disappointed in this issue. Everyone knows Negan is coming and yet there is only a guy with a spear on the wall? With Negan’s propensity for standing out in the open with nothing but a bat, it’s unrealistic to think someone wouldn’t have already put a bullet between his eyes. And don’t get me started on Rick’s fate…

  4. AbrahamFordFan March 12, 2014 at 5:31 am - Reply
  5. marco March 12, 2014 at 6:21 am - Reply
  6. jeffleiboff March 12, 2014 at 6:54 am - Reply

    Is getting shot with an arrow covered in walker guts just as bad as being bitten?

  7. Jacin March 12, 2014 at 7:32 am - Reply

    Having just finished it, I’ve got two thoughts …

    First, if Rick does die, I wouldn’t be surprised at this point. I said several issues ago that I thought that Kirkman had set up a scenario where both Rick and Andrea could / would die by the end of this arc. This could be the beginning of the end of their story.

    Second, and that said, if Dwight actually coated his bolts in walker gunk, I’d be extremely surprised. If I were a betting man, I’d say that that was a clean bolt that hit Rick and it Dwight put in in as non-vital an area as he could without making it look like he wasn’t trying to hurt him.

  8. Jwhite607 March 12, 2014 at 7:36 am - Reply

    Didn’t think they snuck up behind Rick as the image showed Rick shooting with his right hand, and we all know that’s just a nub. Secondly if walker gunk turns u, than wouldn’t their blood getting in your mouth or eyes or open cuts when our heros beat them have done the same thing? I think Rick is fine, if Carl can lose half his head then Rick can give up one measly kidney.

  9. Colin Scarpino March 12, 2014 at 7:59 am - Reply

    Dwight couldn’t have shot him in a better place; and we know he’s an excellent shot if he can shoot Abraham straight in the head from a (most likely) further distance. If he hit his leg or arm he would have most likely severed an artery; bigger issue.

    Now about the bolt being clean. He said to Negan that he needed to worry about altering the weight; so for all Negan knows the bolt is covered with a thin layer, but in reality it isn’t.

  10. Brad Glaze March 12, 2014 at 8:01 am - Reply

    My prediction is that Dwight did not muck up his bolts or the one that hit Rick was clean. Dwight will then tell Rick about Negans plan to muck up their weapons and have Rick lay low making Negan think Rick is dead. Then the person we see on the cover of 126 holding Lucille ,with their left hand, is Rick which would be why Negan has a holy shit look on his face while down on his knees.

  11. Matthew Heasley March 12, 2014 at 8:01 am - Reply

    Dwight has had a lot of chances to kill Negan and he just doesn’t do it. He did shoot one guy in the shoulder and I think he shot Rick with a “BOLT” that wasn’t gunked up with zombie shit. He could have taken Negan out instead though and just ran over to help Rick. I think that Dwight doesn’t really know what he wants. He’s definitely playing both sides but I can’t figure out who he truly serves. I enjoyed Rick’s optimism too. His world has gotten a lot bigger and so have his battles. After reading The Walking Dead for the last few years I’ve come to realize that I can rarely predict what is going to happen. That is one of the reasons why I enjoy this comic so much 🙂

  12. Lahr Badger March 12, 2014 at 8:11 am - Reply
  13. Dylan Willey March 12, 2014 at 8:54 am - Reply

    Firstly, #ShivaLives? Seriously!? TOO SOON!!! :'(

    Yeah, I think Dwight just shot Rick with a bolt that wasn’t gunked in walker guts…with that said, DWIGHT MAKE YOUR FUCKING MOVE ON NEGAN! Where is Jesus being a bad ass when you need him?! LOL…

    I liked the conversation between Andrea and Maggie as I’ve never really seen them talk in the past. I really hope Michonne doesn’t get bit by Marcus.

    R.I.P. Kal. Never bring a spear to a gun fight. 😛

    Also: Poor Carl. Sophia isn’t crazy anymore?

  14. Greg March 12, 2014 at 9:20 am - Reply

    Like Negan said, “I hope you have your shitting pants on” for the next issue!

  15. Greg March 12, 2014 at 9:39 am - Reply

    Rick might lose the war but the only way if rick will win the war is by if Eugene Group flank Negan.

  16. Raymond Eddie March 12, 2014 at 9:42 am - Reply

    again…..I don’t see any reason why they would kill off rick and carl. They are all that’s holding this story together.

  17. Jmillerhighlife March 12, 2014 at 10:02 am - Reply

    O damn Rick took the bolt for a kidney shot ain’t looking good for him, but hoping we got lucky and he switched the bolt so it wasn’t contaminated if so negan might be being a tad bit premature… Trend with that showing . Either way can’t wait to see if Rick got lucky and will finish off negan or well see what finally happens when you take out the most influential character!

  18. Jason Thomas March 12, 2014 at 10:14 am - Reply

    That was pretty crazy hope Rick is ok .Glad to see Ezekiel stepping up it’s about time glad to see him and Michonne working together they make a good team .

  19. Chi March 12, 2014 at 10:20 am - Reply

    I think there may be a twist here – the fact that the guts have been exposed to the air before penetrating the human body may mean that in fact whatever virus has caused the outbreak is weakened by being outside of the zombie – to the point that a healthy human immune system can fight it off and gaining antibodies. Essentially becoming a form of a vaccine.

    Rick goes through a fever during issues 124 and 125, but recovers and finds he is now immune to walker bites causing him to turn – leading to a “new world” where there is a possible cure that may not work for everyone.

    Then at issue 200 – the virus mutates further, and those who had been “immunized” are no longer immune to the newly mutated virus 🙂

  20. Nathan Kotyk March 12, 2014 at 10:20 am - Reply

    That was a pretty cool issue. I love all the large battles that have been going on in ALL OUT WAR. The arc is really living up to its title.

    first thing. If this walker gunk on the weapons thing works things are going to be really bad now that Michonne brought Marcus into the house after he just got stabbed.

    Also…I dont think the walker gunk will work because if I remember correctly the Governor had a full on make out session with zombie Penny back in the day and he was perfectly fine.

    Finally, I think the whole Dwight not having gunked up his arrow idea is a pretty good call and seems very likely.

    Keep up all the great work team!

  21. Greg March 12, 2014 at 10:22 am - Reply

    I used to be an Survivor like you but I took a bolt in the hip!

  22. The Wrath of Lucille March 12, 2014 at 10:35 am - Reply

    May the gods leave the wolves n the hills and the woman in our beds!!!

  23. mo March 12, 2014 at 10:52 am - Reply

    Rick will be fine…..Dwight knows who will end up on top….for the first time in forever Negan is about to get the carpet pulled out from under him……first when he see’s Dwight betrayed him…then when he finds out that Eugene and that crew are free and back with Rick and the gang………Carl is the man……Jesus is the man……Andrea is the man…….man I love this comic series……and the TV show……..so well written and done well ……more WAR more WAR………#TeamMichone

  24. marco March 12, 2014 at 11:02 am - Reply

    Rick will NOT die because Dwight has shot him with an NON-INFECTED bolt, Dwight didn’t add zombie saliva to his bolts, even before, Dwight didn’t shot the survivor in the head, while Negan was bashing the head of the other survivor. Dwight is a genius, he shot Rick with a normal boul so he will not die

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  25. Kay March 12, 2014 at 11:29 am - Reply

    I think that Dwight is on Rick’s side. Since Negan and Dwight sneak behind the barricade where there is a clear shot of Rick, that makes me believe that they probably weren’t seen by anyone back there. So I believe what could end up happening is Dwight shot Rick like Negan asked simply so that he could then turn to Negan and shoot him dead.. If Negan thought for a second that he wasn’t going to kill Rick then he might have gotten the hint and either killed Rick himself or kill Dwight then Rick. Dwight might have also been thinking that his group would probably kill him if they saw him kill Negan..so if he did it where they didn’t see it, he would be able to say that Negan shot an arrow at Rick and then Rick managed to get a killing shot on Negan… Who knows.. its hard to say because the rest of the saviors might want to kill Dwight for that.. then again, I wouldn’t be surprised if maybe the saviors all wanted him gone so everyone could be friends and help each other out which is next to impossible with Negan around. That could be what the big change will be in the comics coming up in the next few issues..?

  26. Steven Bolton March 12, 2014 at 11:43 am - Reply

    Talk about a good “Back Stabbin”

    Really hope Dwight kept his bolts clean !

  27. Keven Skinner March 12, 2014 at 11:56 am - Reply

    Am I the only longtime comic fan who is actually routing for a zombie gunked bolt finally taking out our main man? Dwight would end up with two massive kills since he popped up in this franchise unexpectedly. He crushed TV fan dreams of Daryl Dixon making the jump to the page and I hope he slays the dreams of longtime fans who are routing for a bright Rick-filled future.

    I’m a sick bastard so I must be a Savior.

  28. Antonio Hernandez March 12, 2014 at 12:22 pm - Reply

    i believe that the comic is heading to actually tie into the show now. no rick was not fatally wounded or gunked by zombie goo, but was shot where the t.v. daryl dixon a.k.a. dwight, had gotten back at herschel’s farm. it makes sense even though this comic vs. tv war has been waged, but the clues are there. daryl has now gone with the marauders. which in turn could be possible saviors, which in turn would explain the disappearance of beth, which in turn becomes the reason dwight gets his face ironed because beth is with negan or gareth or whatever kirkman comes up with in names for whoever. so lets rewrite this to be daryl shoots rick in the side with negan not knowing that rick and daryl are long time friends who once fought together, where daryl sets up to eliminate negan once and for all. now time to rebuild and move on to the next antagonist. oh and turns out sheva had cubs after getting pregnant by another rogue tiger so everyone gets their own tiger.

  29. marco March 12, 2014 at 1:35 pm - Reply

    the difference between Negan and the governor is that Rick interracted much more with Negan, he saw him many times, but with the governor, Rick has only seen him two or three times. That makes Negan a more “friendly villain” ,we know Negan more, for that we love Negan more.

  30. Matt Stevens March 12, 2014 at 1:54 pm - Reply

    If I win a signed copy of #123 then I will gladly shoot myself with a bolt

  31. Tristain Pittman March 12, 2014 at 1:59 pm - Reply

    Between Dwight complaining about messing up the weight of his bolts with walker juice, and his ambiguous allegiance, I think it’s safe to say that it was a clean bolt. That said, it’s still a bolt going through his large intestine (not kidney, it was clearly right above his hip… too low to be a kidney/liver shot) which is going to be difficult to patch up, and near impossible for them to prevent fecal peritonitis (you’re going to need a LOT of antibiotics that can be directly injected to the wound), assuming his intestine was punctured.

    I really do believe that Dwight is trying to play these two men against each other, at this point. He’s had ample opportunity to kill Negan, and obviously has no intention of supporting him long term… so the only reason to not kill Negan is if you are waiting for him to do your dirty work. Perhaps Dwight is having visions of ruling a united hilltop/saviors, with Negan and Rick killing each other off? Either way, he’s looking like a very opportunistic player in this war.

  32. Nicholas March 12, 2014 at 3:00 pm - Reply

    “I was a survivor like you, then I took an arrow to the stomach.” -Rick Grimes
    “IT’S CALLED A BOLT, DAMMIT!” -Dwight

  33. Gregarious Raptopoulos March 12, 2014 at 3:30 pm - Reply

    Dwight probably shot Rick with a clean arrow, but it still wouldn’t surprise me if Rick does die at this point. Either way Negan is finally going down before this is over. And holy shit, my letter got published in the hacks this issue! 😀

  34. Daniel Boyer March 12, 2014 at 3:51 pm - Reply

    I think Rick is gonna die from the tainted bolt…

    I absolutely do not understand why Dwight has not killed Negan by now…makes no sense…

    Negan ain’t gonna be too happy when he discovers that Eugene has been freed…

    I have no idea how the survivor’s are gonna turn the table on Negan…but Rick is not gonna survive this war…

  35. Tyler Powell March 12, 2014 at 5:21 pm - Reply

    this was an awesome begining to the war. Negan caught them off guard and Rick got shot. but im sure Dwight didn’t put any guts on his bolts. so Rick maybe wounded but its only for show. Dwight will distract Negan and Rick will have the final kill. if not Maggie, she really deserves it!

  36. Chris Bigger March 12, 2014 at 5:34 pm - Reply
  37. Michael Toth March 12, 2014 at 6:00 pm - Reply
  38. Matt W. March 12, 2014 at 6:17 pm - Reply

    I think I can confidently say that we are all very surprised/confused once we saw that last page because I know i was!! I didn’t actually think Dwight would shoot an arrow at Rick! Part of me thinks that Dwight shot rick with a uninfected arrow and strategically shot him so that it would give him only a minor wound. The other me thinks that Dwight shot Rick with an infected walker arrow and now Doctor Carson will have to amputate Rick’s entire lower body off and substitute it with Professor Xavier’s hover chair!!…or a Pogo Stick (made by master builder Earl Sutton of course) BUT!!! There could be a possibility that Dwight was not the one who shot Rick with an arrow because the picture doesn’t actually show who pulled the trigger. It could have been one of Negan’s other unnamed henchmen! Can’t wait for issue #124 to find out!!! Only 3 more issues of All out War left and only 3 more episodes of Season 4 of The Walking Dead!!! #3iseverywhere

    • Brad Tyler March 13, 2014 at 12:36 am - Reply

      I actually don’t think Rick is going to survive. I’ve noticed that throughout the All Out War arc, the comic covers features a character who has lost someone close to them. Like issue 116 is Holly who lost Abraham, issue 118 Gregory lost control of the Hilltop, issue 122 Heath losing Denise, issue 123 Ezekiel losing Shiva, issue 124 Maggie losing Glenn…and issue 125+126 feature Carl and Andrea on the covers, that is why I think rick is going to die

      • Matt W. March 13, 2014 at 12:44 am - Reply

        Lol I guess that’s possible. Issue 127 & 128 comic covers are confusing cuz they don’t show any of the old characters, just this new character..New story+Different characters??

      • John March 13, 2014 at 4:00 pm - Reply

        Rick has always been my favorite. I won’t be able to take it if he dies.

      • Gregarious Raptopoulos March 15, 2014 at 11:36 pm - Reply

        I think you could be on to something with your theory. But, for the sake being thorough, there are a couple more characters to complete the puzzle. Rick?: lost Alexandria/his life? Jesus?: not sure who he lost; maybe his bf gets killed? Dwight?: lost his wife to Negan/ his life? Michonne?: Maybe Ezekiel dies? Tyreese was way too long ago to count. Maybe she dies? Negan?: loses leadership of Saviors/ his life? What do you think, Brad?

    • Sam Fuller March 13, 2014 at 11:54 pm - Reply

      I just wanted Shiva to be still alive and if Ezekiel died, Michonne would adopt her xD

    • Franco Blanc March 22, 2014 at 1:09 pm - Reply

      3+3=6 6-4=2 February 2 is the 33rd day of the yea 2+33= 35-32=3… HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED!

  39. Mr. $waggington March 12, 2014 at 7:24 pm - Reply

    ok so this is what i think should happen. Negan and the saviors are going to escape with the thought of actually fatally hurting rick and the whole marcus thing is a treat for them as well. Dwight then goes to check on rick telling him that he was forced to shoot him and that he is going to be okay. then theyre all going to visit the saviors with a surprise attack and kill them all and then rick is gonna capture lucille and everyone is gonna watch as negan is completely overpowered and surrounded then rick is gonna be in front of him with lucille saying “eeny meeny miny moe catch a tiger by the toe” and then when he mentions tiger, shiva comes out of nowhere and eats everyone. the end. #SHIVALIVES

  40. Nolen Sternkopf March 12, 2014 at 7:32 pm - Reply

    Dwight mentioned not wanting to mess with the weight of the bolts by using the gunk, then Negan left him. It just seems like he didn’t gunk up any of them. Dwight likely shot Rick with a clean arrow, but still that’s a pretty bad injury for Rick and will definitely make him weaker.
    Also Carl is finally in the fight. He is so awesome, an extremely capable kid.
    These cliffhangers are killing me! I don’t think I will ever get used to monthly again…

  41. Nolen Sternkopf March 12, 2014 at 7:50 pm - Reply

    Although I still believe my previous comment is probably the case, if you look on the cover of the next issue Rick is sweating as if he has the deadly fever and is hugging Andrea and they both look sad. Just saying it might mean something, maybe he truly is a goner.

    • Pablo Martínez Dutra March 12, 2014 at 7:53 pm - Reply

      I read that theory in another forum and totally makes sense. Besides, Rick is bandaged in that cover. So it could be the end of our long time hero.

    • Gregarious Raptopoulos March 15, 2014 at 11:18 pm - Reply

      Damn, Kirkman and his cover trolls. He really did top himself this time. No one can really tell for sure if Rick is going to die or not. All the visual clues (possible tainted arrow, apparent fever on subsequent cover) point to yes, but everyone suspects the arrow was clean since Dwight put up such a fuss about the walker juice messing up the weight of his bolts. On top of it all, the person holding the bat on the final issue of All Out War is holding it with their left hand. I really hope that Carl becomes the primary protagonist if Rick does die, but what’s with all these unknown characters on the covers popping up after All Out War? I’m not positive, but one of the guys on the cover for 127 looks like Dwight pre-ironed face. And who is the woman on both the new covers? Sherry? Lily? Someone new? The suspense is killing me over here.

  42. Pablo Martínez Dutra March 12, 2014 at 8:05 pm - Reply

    Dwight is an awesome character!
    By the way, a heck of a cover the #128

  43. Daniel Boyer March 12, 2014 at 9:15 pm - Reply

    I believe this issue sets up for Rick’s death in issue 125…

  44. Itaruga March 12, 2014 at 9:23 pm - Reply

    I can see now how much Negan differs from The Governor. This guy has no filter, is brash, but funny as heck, and is willing to allow people to live if they do what he says. And he is who he is, doesn’t try to keep deep dark secrets or hide it. Everyone knows what he’s about. And Michonne..still a bad ass! Great to have seen Rick calling shots, being an awesome leader, and taking names! Having said that, man what a great issue, thank you!

  45. Dalton Young March 12, 2014 at 9:40 pm - Reply

    Just kill Carl for his own good. He has lost his mother, sister, half his face, and he has no game at all. Fuck that’s too much and I never thought I would say those words.

  46. Patrick McConnell March 12, 2014 at 10:15 pm - Reply

    I bet rubbing weapons on zombies only works if you rub it on the mouth but doesn’t matter if you rub the weapon on the arm. Maybe Dwight didn’t rub any of the zombie guts on his bolts at all to keep them weighted right or maybe Ricks fucked.

  47. SlipS March 12, 2014 at 11:00 pm - Reply

    I Honestly think this is the end of Rick… That cover with Negan laughing with satisfaction… Carl will get the killing blow to avenge the greatest comic protagonist in history….
    Grimes>Batman

  48. marco March 13, 2014 at 7:51 am - Reply

    RICK DON’T DIE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  49. Andrew Seymour March 13, 2014 at 9:06 am - Reply

    What is Andrea setting Carl up for? She told Maggie to stay safe, but told Carl he is needed. Is this the starting point were we see Carl start taking a more active role?

    If Rick is a goner, i hate to say it, but Carl will more than likely be the successor as the main character as TWD truely tell the story of these two character (At least in my mind).

  50. Drew March 13, 2014 at 10:33 am - Reply

    My guess is that Dwight didn’t gunk up the arrow. His excuse will be him echoing the line he gave earlier in the issue that the walker gunk will throw off the weight of the bolts. I know Kirkman is crazy but he is not going to kill off Rick just like he’s not killing off Daryl on the TV show. I know that mantra of TWD is that “no character is safe” but these two characters basically define what the brand is. Nobody wants to be the person to ruin a brand, especially the creator of said brand.

  51. Drew March 13, 2014 at 10:40 am - Reply

    Also what I don’t understand is that why wouldn’t Neagan shoot Rick himself? If he is there and has a clear shot then why wouldn’t you do it? PLOT HOLES FOR DAYZ.

    • Michael J. Scoggins March 13, 2014 at 12:38 pm - Reply

      Because it’s more demoralizing for the Survivors if Rick dies slowly. Negan wants them to have to watch Rick die, then turn, forcing them to take him out. Psychological warfare at it’s finest.

      • Drew March 13, 2014 at 1:05 pm - Reply

        Yeah but why wouldn’t he shoot him himself? And he’s gotta know that if Rick dies he wins the war.

        • kickinwing March 13, 2014 at 1:08 pm - Reply

          because neagan dosnt have a crossbow. and he prly dosnt even know how to work one. he wants rick to turn into a walker in front of his people. he cant do that if he just shoots him in the back of the head with a gun. he needed somebody to shoot a bolt at him to infect him. plus i dont think we have ever seen Neagan shoot a gun. maybe he has awful aim, and knows he would miss.

        • Gregarious Raptopoulos March 16, 2014 at 12:22 am - Reply

          The same question can be asked about why didn’t Rick just have Andrea snipe Negan when he was on the balcony with Gregory or a dozen other times for that matter. I don’t get the whole war concept where they risk losing tons of people when a single sniper bullet could end Negan’s reign. It’s not like they don’t know where he lives.

      • Steven March 13, 2014 at 4:50 pm - Reply

        Stop justifying Kirkman’s bullshit, you sheeple. Drew is right, this whole damn chapter is full of plot holes. Sure, you can fill in the blanks anyway you see fit, as long as it makes sense to you. But that’s not how great stories are written. I fucking tell you right now, Kirkman second-guesses himself more than a high-schooler who skipped a grade. But he can get away with those sloppy writing errors because his stupid fans keep going easy on him by imagining those plot holes away with useless and baseless justifications. Kirkman fucked up BIG TIME with this whole arc. He doesn’t know it yet, but he jumped the fucking shark. Now begins a steady decline in ‘the Dead’s popularity. Just watch. True fanboys always know when they’ve been fed enough bullshit by greedy fuckers like Kirkman. You’ll see.

        • Gregarious Raptopoulos March 16, 2014 at 12:14 am - Reply

          If it’s so bad, then why are you still reading the issues? I have some issues with the arc myself, but your comment is mostly hyperbole. It’s seems like listing out the major plot holes would be more effective than a blatant ad hominem attack.

          • John R. Calenzo March 17, 2014 at 1:29 pm

            I’m going to play the devil’s advocate here and actually defend Mr. Steven for a moment. First off, Negan was out for the kill when he ordered Dwight to fire that weapon at Rick. He wanted Dwight to kill him. He wanted Rick to die, right then and there. I’m sure it wouldn’t have mattered to him if Dwight hit Rick in the skull instead. He wasn’t planning some awesome demoralizing master plan. How do I know this? Because Negan’s one big flaw is that he underestimates his enemy at every turn, and he’s survived for far too long because of it. He said, point-blank, that the act of killing Rick would be the lynch-pin to his victory. This is excruciatingly uncharacteristic of him, as one of the first things we learned about Negan is that he understands that killing Rick will only make things worse for the Saviors. Yet he has now suddenly changed his mind, regardless of Rick now being in control of both the Hilltop and the Kingdom survivors. That does not make any goddamn sense. Make no mistake, the picture that Kirkman painted of Negan and the Saviors in Chapters 17-19 was brilliant. More to the point, it was compelling to see how Rick would step up to the challenge of standing up to this monster and his army without getting himself or any of his people killed. I was so eager to see the epic battle of will between these forces of good and evil, while still maintaining that classic Walking Dead realism that everyone has grown to know and love (before All Out War, of course). I was let down. I’m not going to list every last thing about this arc that bothered me, because honestly, I would be here all day writing. There was zero development on the Saviors as a people before the war and even less development on them as an army. They are all just nameless, faceless men (save for Dwight) who are more than willing to take suicide mission after suicide mission for a man who clearly doesn’t have all his marbles. He’s nothing but comedic relief at this point. And that saddens me to no end. As an avid reader and someone with an MA in English Literature, I can tell you is that I have been a fan of this book since nearly the beginning. I bled for this book, and swore by all my colleagues that it held up to some of the best literature of the era in it’s depth and realism. All that changed with this story arc, and it could not be more obvious.

          • Gregarious Raptopoulos March 17, 2014 at 6:45 pm

            As I’ve mentioned before, I have some major issues with this arc, but it’s not nearly as bad as you or Steven make it out to be. Negan clearly said shoot him, it doesn’t have to be a kill shot, so no Negan wasn’t simply out for the kill. In addition, we had about as much character development with Woodbury residents as we did with the Saviors, so I’m not following you on that either. My biggest problem is that the strategy both sides employ is extremely flawed. The job could have been accomplished with a 2-3 person sniper team, on either side. In the wall of text you could have easily bullet pointed the major plot holes you saw. I agree with a lot of what you say. Negan is a joke of a villain, as in, yes, he does just provide comic relief. My whole point was that Steven launched an ad hominem attack against Kirkman instead of, you know, actually listing the major plot holes that he never actually identifies. Then you basically do the same thing, less the ad hominem attack, and don’t list a single actual plot hole that both of you can apparently write days about.

  52. Brian March 13, 2014 at 11:07 am - Reply

    So this is one of the only times the cover accurately depicted what would happen? I’m onto to you Kirkman.

  53. Michael J. Scoggins March 13, 2014 at 12:50 pm - Reply

    One of the best issues yet. Ezekiel redeems himself a little, Sophia returns, Rick finally shows some optimism… then Negan blows away Kal, busts down the wall and starts smashing heads. The second to last page, when Negan and Dwight come up behind Rick and he asks what he’s waiting for made my hair stand on ends. I went back and reread it all before I would turn to the very last page to see which way Dwight went. I was absolutely sure that it was curtains for Negan and seeing that I was wrong just made me more anxious for the next issue. Personally, I kind of hope Rick dies, as horrible as that may be. It would just exemplify that ‘no one is safe – ever’ theme of the comics in a way nothing else could. Also, while it would have ruined the comics in the early days, I have no doubt that characters like Carl, Andrea, Michonne, or Maggie provide more than enough substance for TWD fans, especially given how we might see them change in the wake of it all. Then again, I’m 100% Team Negan and would still buy every issue if they came down to nothing more than him bashing in zombie heads while screaming “motherf-cker” and flirting with Lucille in increasingly disconcerting ways.

  54. Razorback March 13, 2014 at 1:12 pm - Reply

    Rick has to die this Volume. His story from issue #1 to now has been amazing, and instead of him living the war and becoming a great leader, I think a more beautiful send off would be him dying.

  55. Kenneth Spond March 13, 2014 at 2:04 pm - Reply

    So, this is how it goes down:

    The arrow was muck-free—not that it would matter, because the muck will do nothing. Given the amount of walker-gunk this group of survivors have ingested, clothed themselves in, gotten splattered in their eyes, etc., I would be incredibly surprised to find that coating a weapon with the stuff would infect someone.

    So, Rick lives… for now.

    The Saviors get inside and start a murder-fest, but not without a huge list of casualties themselves.

    Dwight takes his shot at Negan and fails. Dwight meets Lucille.

    Negan and Jesus have a run-in. Jesus kicks Negan’s ass, but is ultimately brought down by another savior, giving Negan the chance to smash down on his skull with his lovely Mrs.

    Here, insert every other important character dying, aside from Rick and Carl.

    In the final battle between Rick and Negan, Rick gets the upper hand on Negan and disarms him. Negan pleas for his life and is not doing so well knowing that he is about to kiss Lucille for the last time. As Rick approaches Negan with a fire in his eyes and a half-cocked smile across his blood splattered face, Carl shows up on the scene and points a gun at his dad.

    What? Why?

    Morals. Killing someone with a barbed-wire-wrapped baseball bat is inhumane. Carl knows that Rick is above that. In the heat of the argument, Negan strikes out against Rick, bringing him to his end in front of his son. At, this, Carl puts one through Negans Batman jaw.

    Carl wanders off.

    Next issue, we’re following a new group of survivors. Things are hairy and we have to learn some new people. We get used to this new group as they encounter more and more difficult adversaries by the arc. Just when we begin to complain that Kirkman is recycling the same story with new characters (about 100 issues later), they meet the comic’s most terrifying villain to date: Carl Grimes.

    I can’t wait.

  56. Kenneth Spond March 13, 2014 at 2:12 pm - Reply

    So, this is how it goes down:

    The arrow was muck-free—not that it would matter, because the muck will do nothing. Given the amount of walker-gunk this group of survivors have ingested, clothed themselves in, gotten splattered in their eyes, etc., I would be incredibly surprised to find that coating a weapon with the stuff would infect someone.

    So, Rick lives… for now.

    The Saviors get inside and start a murder-fest, but not without a huge list of casualties themselves.

    Dwight takes his shot at Negan and fails. Dwight meets Lucille.

    Negan and Jesus have a run-in. Jesus kicks Negan’s ass, but is ultimately brought down by another savior, giving Negan the chance to smash down on his skull with his lovely Mrs.

    Here, insert every other important character dying, aside from Rick and Carl.

    In the final battle between Rick and Negan, Rick gets the upper hand on Negan and disarms him. Negan pleas for his life and is not doing so well knowing that he is about to kiss Lucille for the last time. As Rick approaches Negan with a fire in his eyes and a half-cocked smile across his blood splattered face, Carl shows up on the scene and points a gun at his dad.

    What? Why?

    Morals. Killing someone with a barbed-wire-wrapped baseball bat is inhumane. Carl knows that Rick is above that. In the heat of the argument, Negan strikes out against Rick, bringing him to his end in front of his son. At, this, Carl puts one through Negans Batman jaw.

    Carl wanders off.

    Next issue, we’re following a new group of survivors. Things are hairy and we have to learn some new people. We get used to this new group as they encounter more and more difficult adversaries by the arc. Just when we begin to complain that Kirkman is recycling the same story with new characters (about 100 issues later), they meet the comic’s most terrifying villain to date: Carl Grimes.

    I can’t wait.

  57. babbette murdock March 13, 2014 at 3:46 pm - Reply

    Woah…
    theres some serious #Swag approaching among the next few issues…
    I love how Carson was all #yolo, taking the leap of faith too free the Euge and Co..
    and when Negan was at the hilltop gates acting all #fierce…
    when he asked Rick to bend over bare bottom so he could slap it, I half expected our fearless leader to hop up and start #twerking…
    I bet Negan wishes I Phones were operating so he could take a #selfie atop a destroyed hilltop…
    this ALL OUT WAR is far more insane than back at the prison when the governor attacked #throwback…
    ah, #goodtimes at the hilltop

  58. TheZildjman March 13, 2014 at 5:30 pm - Reply

    Calling it now, the arrow wasn’t gunked and Rick lives. Awesome issue! Poor Carl having girl problems on top of the zombie apocalypse and his dad is too busy fighting a war to help him out. Loving Dwight (even if he did shoot Rick), his character is so complex. You can never know what he’s going to do next. I personally can’t wait to find out what side he’s on: Ricks, Negans, or his own (I’m betting the latter). RIP Kal, the coolest guard at the Hilltop. Awesome issue! Can’t wait for the next one!

  59. Pizza McRib March 13, 2014 at 8:46 pm - Reply

    What are Carl and Andrea up to? Rick’s a lot smarter than Negan.

  60. Felix Mitchell March 14, 2014 at 7:14 am - Reply

    Dwight didn’t “gunk up” his arrow–bolt. Sorry. You could see there were no guts on the bolt. Not to mention he shot Rick in his side. If he really was working with the Saviors, he could’ve easily taken him out with a headshot, or at least through the chest. There’s no way he would’ve shot him in the side, even if the bolt did have guts on it, he would’ve shot him through the stomach or chest. But he went for the side, insuring Rick’s survival, because he KNOWS that without Rick the Saviors win.

    • marco March 14, 2014 at 1:02 pm - Reply

      WHY dind’nt Dwight FUCKING KILL NEGAN INSTEAD OF SHOOTING RICK
      ??????????????????? HE HAD THE BEST OCCASION TO KILL THIS MOTHERFUCKER, I
      DON’T UNDERSTAND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • SlipS March 14, 2014 at 1:09 pm - Reply

      Negan asked Dwight to not make it a kill shot so Rick’s people would see him turn.

      • Felix Mitchell March 15, 2014 at 8:35 am - Reply

        Nah, he said to shoot him, “even if it’s not a kill shot”. Even if it was a kill shot, like through the chest or something he would still turn.

        • SlipS March 15, 2014 at 11:34 am - Reply

          ya i know but didnt Negan seem super happy after that shot? i dont think he would rather have it any other way then to have ricks people watch him slowly die over the course of a day or 2 rather than have hive instantly die, when he told Dwight it didnt have to be a kill shot that was Negans true intention. I have a feeling this isnt the final battle, maybe Negan wanted to do the same thing that rick and his crew did in 115-116, just make some sort of entrance for walkers to come pouring in and retreat

  61. marco March 14, 2014 at 1:02 pm - Reply

    WHY dind’nt Dwight FUCKING KILL NEGAN INSTEAD OF SHOOTING RICK ??????????????????? HE HAD THE BEST OCCASION TO KILL THIS MOTHERFUCKER, I DON’T UNDERSTAND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Greg March 14, 2014 at 1:48 pm - Reply

      good question. why didn’t Dwight kill Negan instead of shooting Rick? My reason is, If Dwight ignore Negan order. Negan will smell something fishy between Dwight and Rick. Negan will going to realize that, Dwight betray him and Negan will smack Dwight with Lucille. Yeah, Dwight did got a great opportunity to kill Negan but he didn’t. Nobody will not notice that Dwight kill Negan. let say that if, Dwight did kill Negan. Does that mean the war is over because the savior doesn’t have a leader. The only reason why Dwight is with Negan because of his wife. Dwight don’t want his wife to get hurt by Negan.

  62. Heavy Metal Un1c0rn March 14, 2014 at 2:54 pm - Reply

    Ok, I want to talk more about that guy who set Eugene and the others free. I don’t trust him. I think those other two saviors are honest, and maybe even Dwight is, but I think that guy is going to lead these people to Negan instead of setting them free. What do you guys think?

  63. Mike Parzynski March 14, 2014 at 4:20 pm - Reply

    we never actually got to see Dwight shoot Rick…just saying. Negan could have taken the cross bow. Discuss.

  64. marco March 15, 2014 at 10:45 am - Reply

    I can’t Motherfucking fuckng wait to motherfucking read motherfucking issue fucking 123 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK

  65. Anthony Ripley March 15, 2014 at 3:55 pm - Reply

    I definitely think the bolt was clean. Dwight would kill Negan, but on his own terms. Negan has led his community but instilling fear into their Hearts and Minds, rendering the free will of these good, honest people utterly under his control. Dwight along with the other Saviors believe if they cross Negan There will be consequences, and if other saviors were to see the silent cross-bow wielding hero take a shot at their Malicious leader….what would become of Sherry?

  66. Reyce March 15, 2014 at 8:21 pm - Reply

    I have a theory that some major stuff and thannggss are coming up in the next issues

  67. mattjmorrison March 16, 2014 at 5:53 pm - Reply

    When I first saw the panel with Rick getting shot I was terrified. I want to trust Dwight, but I just can’t yet. It seems like he is playing both sides and just wants to make sure that he is “in” with the winning side. I’m not sure if Negan’s untested infected weapons are even going to work, and even if they do I’m not sure if Dwight infected his bolts. It’s never good to see a potential zombie infection point on a part of the body that can’t easily be amputated.

  68. Kc Coleman March 17, 2014 at 5:41 pm - Reply

    Personally, I do think that killing Rick is something Kirkman would do.(Note: They’ve been saying the book wouldn’t be the same after this story line) And I like the idea. It would shake things up and in my honest opinion, The Walking Dead has always been about Carl. Him being raised in this Hell and him becoming a man. Killing Rick seems like the most logical thing to do. Given there’s always a complete curveball that no one expects and Rick could be the cure to all mankind or some shit, I don’t know.

    Given Dwight is on the good side (?) and his arrow in the illustration looks pretty clean, I still think Rick will be gone. Do I want him to be a walker? No. But sometimes it’s time to let characters go.
    #ShivaLives!

  69. Ernesto Galicia March 17, 2014 at 10:08 pm - Reply

    Rick gets infected, becomes a walker. Negan takes over and that’s the end of the war. Negan wins and we start a new story with issue 127 as the cover unveils

  70. PygmyDust March 18, 2014 at 8:50 am - Reply

    Carl, man, just give Sophia a big hug, and tell her you’re sorry. Then, because Negan (I reckon Dwight stalled too much, Negan worked out he was a traitor, took the arrow and shot Rick himself) shot your dad with a zombie-gunked arrow, find a way to grab Lucille and cave Negan’s skull in! Have a rant with each hit like “This is for Tyrese, Carol, my mum, Judith, Glenn and my DAD!!” kabloom, eyes popping out, bad ass Carl standing atop Negan’s body, Lucille in hand, creepy eye exposed, (that would make an ace cover actually) this, naturally, spurs Michonne to go crazy, Ezekiel wants to be a hero so he also goes charging on, Andrea is blowing off heads while tears stream down her face, and the Rick the Walker appears and no one really knows what to do, no one particularly wants to be the one to kill him. Up steps…. SOPHIA. Just a quick, simple blow to the head, and there we go. Rick’s dead, there’s a lot of heartbreak, Carl gets the girl, (He’s hardened to this, he knows Sophia did what she needed to do, so he hugs her and says “I still like you” and Sophia says “I still like you too” they hug). Michonne is weeping over Ezekiel, who was killed by a Savior, turns and then had his head lopped off by Michonne. There’s general death and sadness everywhere, but Negan is dead and the Saviors are retreating, so really it’s kinda a happy ending. Rick and Ezekiel have funerals, Rick’s funeral also acts as a funeral for the last of Carl’s childhood (totally not the right word but you guys get what I mean). And there you go, I’ve written issue 124 for you, and 125 because that would be the funeral issue. Oh and Negan’s body gets fed to roamers, y’know, because why not?!

    Also.. Eugene and his buddies arrive after the battle is over, once the help-with-escape-guy sees that Negan and everyone else are dead him and his buddies go postal because they weren’t really trying to help at all. And he tries to kill Eugene. Rosita doesn’t like this, kills the guy, and his buddies and confesses her love for Eugene.

  71. junglecrazd1 March 19, 2014 at 3:51 am - Reply

    When Andrea is philosophizing to Maggie about her face being cut up and having to accept her reality was a good example of why Kirkman is brilliant because the characters are deep and there is metacognition of the universe in which they live. And isn’t it great that Rick took one of those bolts. I so hope he dies off soon and Michonne takes over.

  72. Gregarious Raptopoulos March 19, 2014 at 10:43 am - Reply

    Lily, Bob Stookey, and some other Woodbury members are now listed as alive, while they were previously listed as unknown, on the Walking Dead Wiki page. I have a feeling All Out War is going to take down the vast majority of the characters we’ve been following for the last ten years. It looks like Lily is going to be the new protagonist. http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Comic_Series_Characters

  73. Jonathan Brandal March 20, 2014 at 9:16 pm - Reply

    So at the end of reading this issue, I am really worried for Rick, but I can’t believe that he’s going to die. Although in Kirkman’s AMA he did confirm that Rick is by no means safe. I do feel like there will be a time when the story has evolved past Rick, but it’s not there yet. Now onto fanboy speculation!

    Can zombie gunked weapons kill? This is an unproven theory especially when we consider all the contact with dead zombie fluids survivors have had in both the comic and tv series.

    Was Dwight’s arrow, I mean bolt, even gunked up? Somehow I doubt it…

    Also, there’s the scene with the blacksmith and the foreshadowing of Rick getting some sort of potentially bad ass prosthetic. I am really hoping Rick survives but I think if he does it should sideline him through the finale of the war and allow other characters to step up.

    Excited for the next issue..

  74. PedJun March 21, 2014 at 9:49 am - Reply

    Hey, let me just add another theory. Mine is that Negan’s plan isn’t, in fact, a plan. Let me explain.

    As you know, and have seen so far, people kill walkers, destroy their heads and skulls, sometimes far, other times, few centimetres away. And as we all know, things like blood and brain matter usually splatter and flushes (I don’t even know if this term is correct, but hey, I hope the message goes through).

    So, it is practically impossible that someone haven’t already been in contact with Walker’s fluids and blood. I mean, come on, they live surrounded by them. It only needs a wound in your body. Something like that. Look at you own arms or face and see how many zits or scratches you have. Now, as we’ve seen so many times in the comics, zombies were inches a part from one’s body, There would have to been some kind of contact. And so far we haven’t seen anybody dying because a zombie sneezed on them.

    So, all this to say that, people don’t die and turn into a zombie because they were bitten, I guess (well, they have now cut some legs and arms to prove my point). People turn into a zombie because they enter in a sepsis state if not attended and if the wound is too big to treat – and a creature ripping half of a calf, for instance, inserts this category. That’s why i think Negan’s plan is not a solution for his own sake. That’s why – I think – the only thing the bolt have done is a hole to Rick’s body. Nothing more than that.

    But that’s just my opinion.
    Cheers

  75. Allan K March 21, 2014 at 9:33 pm - Reply

    If Rick were dead. You’d know it. You’d “baseball bat to fucking head” know it. But thanks for the suspenseful moment.

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